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The '''quartisma''' or '''Saquinlu-azo comma''' is a comma with a ratio of '''117440512/117406179''' and a [[monzo]] of {{monzo|24 -6 0 1 -5}}.  It is an [[unnoticeable comma]] of the [[11-limit]]- specifically one of the the 2.9.7.11 subgroup- with a value of approximately 0.50619 cents.  The quartisma is significant on account of it being the difference between a stack of five [[33/32]] quartertones and one [[7/6]] subminor third in Just Intonation. Despite that fact that the quartisma is an unnoticeable comma in JI, a number of reasonably well known EDOs (such as [[17edo]], [[26edo]] and [[34edo]]) actually fail to temper it out.  In fact, there are even some EDOs such as [[23edo]] and [[70edo]] that seem to temper out the comma when one merely examines the patent vals for 33/32 and 7/6, yet, upon closer examination, actually fail to temper out the comma, as [https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=dot+product+of+%2823%2C+round%28log%283%29%2Flog%282%29*23%29%2C+round%28log%285%29%2Flog%282%29*23%29%2C+round%28log%287%29%2Flog%282%29*23%29%2C+round%28log%2811%29%2Flog%282%29*23%29%29++and+%2824%2C+-6%2C+0%2C+1%2C+-5%29 these] [https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=dot+product+of+%2870%2C+round%28log%283%29%2Flog%282%29*70%29%2C+round%28log%285%29%2Flog%282%29*70%29%2C+round%28log%287%29%2Flog%282%29*70%29%2C+round%28log%2811%29%2Flog%282%29*70%29%29++and+%2824%2C+-6%2C+0%2C+1%2C+-5%29 calculations] prove.  Examples of edos that actually ''do'' temper out the quartisma are [[22edo]], [[24edo]], [[46edo]], [[68edo]], [[90edo]], [[91edo]], [[92edo]], [[159edo]], and [[3125edo]].
{{Technical data page}}
The '''quartismic family''' is a family of [[rank-4]] temperaments tempers out the [[quartisma]] – the unnoticeable comma with the ratio 117440512/117406179, and a monzo of {{monzo|24 -6 0 1 -5}}, however, most of the members of this rank-4 family currently have yet to be explored. For other families that are defined by the tempering of this comma, see [[the Quartercache]].


The '''quartismic temperament''' or '''Saquinlu-azo temperament''' is the temperament that tempers out this comma.  This page will also list various derived temperaments that temper out this comma and thus belong in the quartismic family.
== Quartismic ==


= Quartismic =
The 11-limit parent comma for the quartismic family is the the quartisma with a ratio of 117440512/117406179 and a monzo of {{monzo| 24 -6 0 1 -5 }}. As the quartisma is an unnoticeable comma, this rank-4 temperament is a [[microtemperament]].
Comma: 117440512/117406179


No-five POTE generators: ~3/2 = 701.9826, ~33/32 = 53.3748
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11


No-five mapping generator:
[[Comma list]]: 117440512/117406179


No-five Map: [<1 0 1 5|, <0 1 1 -1|, <0 0 5 1|]
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 1 5 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 1 -1 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 0 0 }}, {{val| 0 0 0 5 1 }}]


No-five EDOs: {{EDOs|21, 22, 24, 43, 46, 89, 135, 270, 359, 494, 629, 653, 742, 877, 1012, 1236, 1506, 2159, 2248, 2383, 2518, 7419}}
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~33/32


Badness:
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.9742, ~5/4 = 386.3137, ~33/32 = 53.3683


The following scale tree has been found:
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 21, 22, 43, 46, 65d, 68, 89, 111, 159, 202, 224, 270, 494, 742, 764, 966, 1236, 1506, 2159, 2653, 3125, 3395, 7060, 7554, 10949e, 14614e, 15850ee, 22168bdee, 23404bcdee, 26799bcdeee, 34353bcdeeee }}
* [http://www.microtonalsoftware.com/scale-tree.html?left=12&right=11&rr=1200&ioi=106.71461627796054 1200-106.71461627796054-12-11 Scale Tree]
The following rank-2 quartismic temperament MOS scales have been found:
* [https://sevish.com/scaleworkshop/?name=Rank%202%20scale%20(53.37418112074753%2C%202%2F1)%2C%2013%7C9&data=53.374181%0A106.748362%0A160.122543%0A213.496724%0A266.870906%0A320.245087%0A373.619268%0A426.993449%0A480.367630%0A533.741811%0A587.115992%0A640.490173%0A693.864355%0A719.632370%0A773.006551%0A826.380732%0A879.754913%0A933.129094%0A986.503276%0A1039.877457%0A1093.251638%0A1146.625819%0A1200.000000&freq=440&midi=69&vert=9&horiz=1&colors=&waveform=triangle&ampenv=organ Rank 2 scale (53.37418112074753, 2/1), 13|9]
* [https://sevish.com/scaleworkshop/?name=Rank%202%20scale%20(106.71461627796054%2C%201200.0)%2C%205%7C5&data=106.714616%0A213.429233%0A320.143849%0A426.858465%0A533.573081%0A666.426919%0A773.141535%0A879.856151%0A986.570767%0A1093.285384%0A1200.000000&freq=440&midi=69&vert=9&horiz=1&colors=&waveform=triangle&ampenv=organ Rank 2 scale (106.71461627796054, 1200.0), 5|5]


== Full 11-limit extensions ==
[[Badness]]: 0.274 × 10<sup>-6</sup>
Among quartismic temperaments, there are several options for 5-limit representation depending which among the various 5-limit commas is tempered out.  Adding the [[schisma]] to the list of tempered-out commas results in some form of Altierran temperament.  Adding the [[81/80|meantone comma]] results in some form of Meanquarter temperament.  Adding the [[Magic_comma|magic comma]] results in some form of Coin temperament.  Adding the [[15625/15552|kleisma]] results in some form of Kleirtismic temperament- the "kleir-" in "Kleirtismic" is pronounced the same as "Clair".  Adding the [[Tetracot_comma|tetracot comma]] results in some form of Doublefour temperament.  Other possible extensions are listed here.


===Shrutar extension===
== Tridecimal quartismic ==
This is the 22&46 temperament.  See [[Diaschismic_family#Shrutar|Shrutar]].
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7.11.13
===Escapade extension===
This is the 22&43 temperament. See [[Escapade_family|Escapade]].
===Godzilla extension===
This is the 24&43 temperament. See [[Semaphore_and_Godzilla|Godzilla]].


= Altierran =
[[Comma list]]: 6656/6655, 123201/123200
The Altierran clan is the temperament clan consisting of those temperaments in which both the schisma and the quartisma are tempered out.


Commas: 32805/32768, 117440512/117406179
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 0 1 5 6 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 1 -1 -3 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 0 0 1 }}, {{val| 0 0 0 5 1 3 }}]


POTE generators: 701.7299, 53.3889
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[CTE]]): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.9695, ~5/4 = 386.3174, ~33/32 = 53.3698


Mapping generators: 2/1, 3/2, 33/32
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 22, 43f, 46, 65d, 89f, 111, 159, 224, 270, 494, 764, 1012, 1236, 1506, 2901, 3125, 3395, 8026e, 8296e, 11421e, 11691e, 12927e, 13421e, 16322ee, 16816dee }}


Map: [<1 0 15 1 5|, <0 1 -8 1 -1|, <0 0 0 5 1|]
[[Badness]]: 1.739 × 10<sup>-6</sup>
 
EDOs:  {{EDOs|135, 159, 224, 472}}
 
Badness:
 
== 13-limit ==
Commas: 10985/10976, 32805/32768, 117440512/117406179
 
POTE generators: 166.0628, 53.4151
 
Mapping generators: 2/1, 11/10, 33/32
 
Map: [<1 2 -1 3 3 5|, <0 -3 24 -3 3 -11|, <0 0 0 5 1 5|]
 
EDOs: {{EDOs}}
 
Badness:
 
== 17-limit ==
Commas:
 
POTE generator:
 
Mapping generator:
 
Map:
 
EDOs:
 
Badness:
 
= Meanquarter =
The Meanquarter clan is the temperament clan consisting of those temperaments in which both the meantone comma and the quartisma are tempered out.
 
Commas: 81/80, 117440512/117406179
 
POTE generators: 697.3325, 54.1064
 
Mapping generators: 3/2, 33/32
 
Map: [<1 0 -4 1 5|, <0 1 4 1 -1|, <0 0 5 1|]
 
EDOs: {{EDOs|24, 43, 45}}
 
Badness:
 
= Coin =
The Coin clan is the temperament clan consisting of those temperaments in which both the magic comma and the quartisma are tempered out.
 
Commas: 3125/3072, 117440512/117406179
 
POTE generators: 380.3623, 433.3120
 
Mapping generators: 5/4, 9/7
 
Map: [<1 0 2 1 5|, <0 5 1 0 -6|, <0 0 0 5 1|]
 
EDOs: {{EDOs|22, 25}}, 139cdd
 
Badness:
 
= Kleirtismic =
The Kleirtismic clan is the temperament clan consisting of those temperaments in which both the kleisma and the quartisma are tempered out.
 
Commas: 15625/15552, 117440512/117406179
 
POTE generators: 317.0291, 370.2940
 
Mapping generators: 6/5, (16/13?)
 
Map: [<1 0 1 1 5|, <0 6 5 1 -7|, <0 0 0 5 1|]
 
EDOs: {{EDOs|159, 178, 246}}
 
Badness:
 
= Doublefour =
The Doublefour clan is the temperament clan consisting of those temperaments in which both the tetracot comma and the quartisma are tempered out.
 
Commas: 20000/19683, 117440512/117406179
 
POTE generators: 175.9566, 52.9708
 
Mapping generators: 10/9, 33/32
 
Map: [<1 1 1 2 4|, <0 4 9 4 -4|, <0 0 0 5 1|]
 
EDOs:
 
Badness:


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Latest revision as of 00:26, 24 June 2025

This is a list showing technical temperament data. For an explanation of what information is shown here, you may look at the technical data guide for regular temperaments.

The quartismic family is a family of rank-4 temperaments tempers out the quartisma – the unnoticeable comma with the ratio 117440512/117406179, and a monzo of [24 -6 0 1 -5, however, most of the members of this rank-4 family currently have yet to be explored. For other families that are defined by the tempering of this comma, see the Quartercache.

Quartismic

The 11-limit parent comma for the quartismic family is the the quartisma with a ratio of 117440512/117406179 and a monzo of [24 -6 0 1 -5. As the quartisma is an unnoticeable comma, this rank-4 temperament is a microtemperament.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 117440512/117406179

Mapping: [1 0 0 1 5], 0 1 0 1 -1], 0 0 1 0 0], 0 0 0 5 1]]

Mapping generators: ~2, ~3, ~5, ~33/32

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.9742, ~5/4 = 386.3137, ~33/32 = 53.3683

Optimal ET sequence21, 22, 43, 46, 65d, 68, 89, 111, 159, 202, 224, 270, 494, 742, 764, 966, 1236, 1506, 2159, 2653, 3125, 3395, 7060, 7554, 10949e, 14614e, 15850ee, 22168bdee, 23404bcdee, 26799bcdeee, 34353bcdeeee

Badness: 0.274 × 10-6

Tridecimal quartismic

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 6656/6655, 123201/123200

Mapping: [1 0 0 1 5 6], 0 1 0 1 -1 -3], 0 0 1 0 0 1], 0 0 0 5 1 3]]

Optimal tuning (CTE): ~2 = 1\1, ~3/2 = 701.9695, ~5/4 = 386.3174, ~33/32 = 53.3698

Optimal ET sequence22, 43f, 46, 65d, 89f, 111, 159, 224, 270, 494, 764, 1012, 1236, 1506, 2901, 3125, 3395, 8026e, 8296e, 11421e, 11691e, 12927e, 13421e, 16322ee, 16816dee

Badness: 1.739 × 10-6