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I'm undoing your additions of 0-indexed degrees that are not kept in a separate column because several people have reported they are confusing. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 03:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

== ~~Willingness to cooperate~~ ==

== Difficult cooperation ==

Hello Moremajorthanmajor,

as can be seen in the [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?target=Moremajorthanmajor&namespace=0&wpfilters%5B%5D=nsInvert&tagfilter=&start=&end=&limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions search results #1] and [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Moremajorthanmajor&namespace=0&tagfilter=&start=&end= #2], your contributions are restricted to the article namespace (Main) and you never used the summary field (all edits were auto-summarized by the wiki software). So there is also technical evidence that our great frustration with your secrecy about your views is not pure imagination. What do you think can be done to lower the barrier for you to participate in the wiki community's exchange of ideas? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 06:04, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

== Please use edit summaries when making any non-trivial edits to articles ==

You have to type into the summary box to explain what you're changing. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] ([[User talk:Keenan Pepper|talk]]) 19:32, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

: I must add that it does not help to say what you change (because that can be seen in the diff), but with what intention and based on what considerations you do it. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 19:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

::Exactly. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] ([[User talk:Keenan Pepper|talk]]) 00:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

== Telephone number links? ==

Seriously, what is up with these? You keep on trying to insert them, they don't work properly on the wiki, and then your edits get reverted by someone else. What are you trying to accomplish with them? If you'd talk to us, maybe we could figure out a method of formatting that actually does do what you want them too, but at the moment, this is just a waste of everyone's energy. --[[User:Yourmusic Productions|Yourmusic Productions]] ([[User talk:Yourmusic Productions|talk]]) 07:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

: See [[User talk:KingHyperio #Telephone numbers problem]]. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 02:07, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

== Banned for one week ==

Reasons:

* Adding pages and leaving them unfinished.

: Example is copying existing pages ''7L 2s'' to ''7L 2s (major tenth equivalent)'' and leaving the names section unchanged, when no evidence shows that either armodue theorists or tamnams maintainers have endorsed that. In the page ''5L 3s (minor ninth equivalent)'' the tables in the page are also left unedited. Those additions count as false information.

* Adding confusing contents.

: Examples are using titles ''7L 2s (major tenth equivalent)'' when the intended equave is 5/2 and ''5L 3s (minor ninth equivalent)'' when the intended equave is 15/7. They are confusing because most degrees in default of context are defined relative to the diatonic scheme, and are not sufficient for specific ratios. Another example is using the term ''edIX'' to refer to the aforementioned equave while in the page of edIX created by the same user it is defined instead as the equal divison of the ''major ninth''. Those additions leave us with huge amount of labor to clarify what the page is really about.

* Readability degrading edits

: One is not suppposed to fail to make the judgement that https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Blackdye&oldid=76856 is more readable than https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Blackdye&oldid=76901. Although in our Facebook group I informed of ''Template:Overline'' and here we see it, that is far from enough. The advice is learning and following existing styles, if systematic study of the number styles is not practical.

Finally, in case of any controversy, we'll address it through discourse (since that is the only means available). [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 09:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

A couple of weeks after the ban expired, and they're still doing exactly the same problematic things that we have to revert with no sign of any reflection, communication or even acknowledgement of the existence of other users. I have no idea if this is obliviousness or passive-aggressive rebellion, but it's very weird, and the longer it goes on, the more likely it's the second. Does anyone have any ideas how we could get through to them and solve this without more banning? --[[User:Yourmusic Productions|Yourmusic Productions]] ([[User talk:Yourmusic Productions|talk]]) 17:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

: Since they're clearly not paying any attention to usertalk, I would suggest shooting them an email with subject line "IMPORTANT: regarding xenwiki" or similar. If it's any consolation, the telephone-number-linking thing might in fact be a browser issue, as evidenced [[User_talk:KingHyperio#Telephone_numbers_problem|here]]. —[[User:Kaiveran|Kaiveran]] ([[User talk:Kaiveran|talk]]) 20:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

:: This user is on Facebook. He reads my instructions, but never interacts directly. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 09:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

== Banned for another week ==

Reasons:

* False information

: Same as last time.

* Confusing contents

: I'm not entirely sure how this should be described exactly, but what you did was copying people's articles and inserting subtle changes in the main namespace. It only confused readers. Plz be responsible for what you write. Make original materials and sign your name and everyone will be happy.

Plz stop editing on mobile devices with the visual editor. It will convert numbers to telephone links. This technical issue isn't your fault, but you should know it (if you ever read your edits), and accordingly avoid such editing. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 02:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

== Banned for a month ==

Reasons:

* Repeated disrespect to the conventions

: Please refer to the previous decisions.

Several have requested for a permanent ban. Please take it as the last warning. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 12:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

== Plz stop creating cheap pages all at once ==

If Infobox ET is the only content you want in those rare tunings, a preview should be enough. You spammed the recent changes page which many of us regularly use to track the wiki. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 04:59, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

:I think they are just creating placeholder pages to fill in later, but I agree they are spamming recent changes. I know from using FANDOM that there is a "minor edit" feature on MediaWiki which hides edits from recent changes, so maybe they could use that (although, seeing the earlier topics on this page, I don't think they'll ever see this message of mine...). [[User:CompactStar|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar|talk]]) 08:09, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

::MediaWiki (which Xenharmonic Wiki uses) does have a minor edit feature, but it unfortunately doesn't let you mark the creation of a new page as minor, it only lets you mark modifications of already existing pages as minor. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 10:07, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

== Banned from main and other namespaces indefinitely ==

We decided this user shouldn't be able to edit the site but his own user page. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 05:19, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

: For the avoidance of doubt, plz note editing other user's pages are also not allowed. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 05:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

: Unfortunately this user has not improved their behavior so is sitewide blocked now. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:38, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

== Deconstructing your theory ==

Hello MMTM, I am a big fan of your work. To bring it to the wider public I was attempting to understand your theory and had written about it in [https://en.xen.wiki/w/User:2%5E67-1/Deconstructing_MMTM%E2%80%99s_Theory this short essay]. May I know if my interpretation of your theory is correct? [[User:2^67-1|2^67-1]] ([[User talk:2^67-1|talk]]) 09:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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 I'm undoing your additions of 0-indexed degrees that are not kept in a separate column because several people have reported they are confusing. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 03:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
-== Willingness to cooperate ==
+== Difficult cooperation ==
 Hello Moremajorthanmajor,
 as can be seen in the [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?target=Moremajorthanmajor&namespace=0&wpfilters%5B%5D=nsInvert&tagfilter=&start=&end=&limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions search results #1] and [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Moremajorthanmajor&namespace=0&tagfilter=&start=&end= #2], your contributions are restricted to the article namespace (Main) and you never used the summary field (all edits were auto-summarized by the wiki software). So there is also technical evidence that our great frustration with your secrecy about your views is not pure imagination. What do you think can be done to lower the barrier for you to participate in the wiki community's exchange of ideas? --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 06:04, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
+== Please use edit summaries when making any non-trivial edits to articles ==
+You have to type into the summary box to explain what you're changing. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] ([[User talk:Keenan Pepper|talk]]) 19:32, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
+: I must add that it does not help to say what you change (because that can be seen in the diff), but with what intention and based on what considerations you do it. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 19:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
+::Exactly. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] ([[User talk:Keenan Pepper|talk]]) 00:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
+== Telephone number links? ==
+Seriously, what is up with these? You keep on trying to insert them, they don't work properly on the wiki, and then your edits get reverted by someone else. What are you trying to accomplish with them? If you'd talk to us, maybe we could figure out a method of formatting that actually does do what you want them too, but at the moment, this is just a waste of everyone's energy. --[[User:Yourmusic Productions|Yourmusic Productions]] ([[User talk:Yourmusic Productions|talk]]) 07:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
+: See [[User talk:KingHyperio #Telephone numbers problem]]. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 02:07, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
+== Banned for one week ==
+Reasons:
+* Adding pages and leaving them unfinished.
+: Example is copying existing pages ''7L 2s'' to ''7L 2s (major tenth equivalent)'' and leaving the names section unchanged, when no evidence shows that either armodue theorists or tamnams maintainers have endorsed that. In the page ''5L 3s (minor ninth equivalent)'' the tables in the page are also left unedited. Those additions count as false information.
+* Adding confusing contents.
+: Examples are using titles ''7L 2s (major tenth equivalent)'' when the intended equave is 5/2 and ''5L 3s (minor ninth equivalent)'' when the intended equave is 15/7. They are confusing because most degrees in default of context are defined relative to the diatonic scheme, and are not sufficient for specific ratios. Another example is using the term ''edIX'' to refer to the aforementioned equave while in the page of edIX created by the same user it is defined instead as the equal divison of the ''major ninth''. Those additions leave us with huge amount of labor to clarify what the page is really about.
+* Readability degrading edits
+: One is not suppposed to fail to make the judgement that https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Blackdye&oldid=76856 is more readable than https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Blackdye&oldid=76901. Although in our Facebook group I informed of ''Template:Overline'' and here we see it, that is far from enough. The advice is learning and following existing styles, if systematic study of the number styles is not practical.
+Finally, in case of any controversy, we'll address it through discourse (since that is the only means available). [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 09:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
+A couple of weeks after the ban expired, and they're still doing exactly the same problematic things that we have to revert with no sign of any reflection, communication or even acknowledgement of the existence of other users. I have no idea if this is obliviousness or passive-aggressive rebellion, but it's very weird, and the longer it goes on, the more likely it's the second. Does anyone have any ideas how we could get through to them and solve this without more banning? --[[User:Yourmusic Productions|Yourmusic Productions]] ([[User talk:Yourmusic Productions|talk]]) 17:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
+: Since they're clearly not paying any attention to usertalk, I would suggest shooting them an email with subject line "IMPORTANT: regarding xenwiki" or similar. If it's any consolation, the telephone-number-linking thing might in fact be a browser issue, as evidenced [[User_talk:KingHyperio#Telephone_numbers_problem|here]]. —[[User:Kaiveran|Kaiveran]] ([[User talk:Kaiveran|talk]]) 20:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
+:: This user is on Facebook. He reads my instructions, but never interacts directly. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 09:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
+== Banned for another week ==
+Reasons:
+* False information
+: Same as last time.
+* Confusing contents
+: I'm not entirely sure how this should be described exactly, but what you did was copying people's articles and inserting subtle changes in the main namespace. It only confused readers. Plz be responsible for what you write. Make original materials and sign your name and everyone will be happy.
+Plz stop editing on mobile devices with the visual editor. It will convert numbers to telephone links. This technical issue isn't your fault, but you should know it (if you ever read your edits), and accordingly avoid such editing. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 02:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
+== Banned for a month ==
+Reasons:
+* Repeated disrespect to the conventions
+: Please refer to the previous decisions.
+Several have requested for a permanent ban. Please take it as the last warning. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 12:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
+== Plz stop creating cheap pages all at once ==
+If Infobox ET is the only content you want in those rare tunings, a preview should be enough. You spammed the recent changes page which many of us regularly use to track the wiki. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 04:59, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
+:I think they are just creating placeholder pages to fill in later, but I agree they are spamming recent changes. I know from using FANDOM that there is a "minor edit" feature on MediaWiki which hides edits from recent changes, so maybe they could use that (although, seeing the earlier topics on this page, I don't think they'll ever see this message of mine...). [[User:CompactStar|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar|talk]]) 08:09, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
+::MediaWiki (which Xenharmonic Wiki uses) does have a minor edit feature, but it unfortunately doesn't let you mark the creation of a new page as minor, it only lets you mark modifications of already existing pages as minor. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 10:07, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
+== Banned from main and other namespaces indefinitely ==
+We decided this user shouldn't be able to edit the site but his own user page. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 05:19, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
+: For the avoidance of doubt, plz note editing other user's pages are also not allowed. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 05:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
+: Unfortunately this user has not improved their behavior so is sitewide blocked now. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:38, 3 February 2025 (UTC)
+== Deconstructing your theory ==
+Hello MMTM, I am a big fan of your work. To bring it to the wider public I was attempting to understand your theory and had written about it in [https://en.xen.wiki/w/User:2%5E67-1/Deconstructing_MMTM%E2%80%99s_Theory this short essay]. May I know if my interpretation of your theory is correct? [[User:2^67-1|2^67-1]] ([[User talk:2^67-1|talk]]) 09:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)