Superpyth

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Lua error in Module:Infobox_regtemp at line 138: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'generator_size' (a nil value). Superpyth, sometimes called archy in the no-5 subgroup, is a temperament where the generator is a perfect fifth, tuned sharp such that a stack of two perfect fifths octave-reduced gives a whole tone that represents both 9/8 and 8/7, tempering out the septimal comma, 64/63. Likewise, two perfect fourths give a minor seventh that represents both 7/4 and 16/9, so that intervals such as A–G and C–B♭ (notated in chain-of-fifths notation) are harmonic sevenths. Equivalently, three fourths reach a minor third that approximates 7/6, while four fifths reach a major third that approximates 9/7.

Since the generator is a perfect fifth, superpyth can be notated using the same standard chain-of-fifths notation that is also used for meantone, with the understanding that sharps are sharper than flats (for example, A♯ is sharper than B♭) just like in Pythagorean tuning, in contrast to meantone where sharps are flatter than or equal to the corresponding flats. 13\22 (~1/4 septimal comma) and 16\27 (~1/3 septimal comma) are the most common tunings of the generator.

If intervals of 5 are desired, the 5th harmonic is mapped to +9 generators through tempering out 245/243, so 5/4 is an augmented second (e.g. C–D♯, a limma-flat major third). Therefore superpyth is the "opposite" of meantone in several different ways: most notably, meantone (including 12edo) has the fifth tuned flat so that intervals of harmonic 5 are simple while intervals of 7 are complex, while superpyth has the fifth tuned sharp so that intervals of 7 are simple while intervals of 5 are complex.

Alternatively, for a sharper tuning, the 5th harmonic can be mapped to +14 generators, resulting in ultrapyth.

If intervals of 11 are desired, the canonical way is to map 11/8 to +16 generators, or a doubly augmented second (C–D𝄪), tempering out 100/99. A simpler way to map it is to −6 generators, or a diminished fifth (C–G♭), by tempering out 99/98. The latter is called supra, or suprapyth. The two mappings unite on 22edo.

If intervals of 13 are desired, 13/8 is mapped to +13 generators, or a doubly augmented fourth (C–F𝄪), by tempering out 31213/31104.

Mos scales of superpyth have cardinalities of 5, 7, 12, 17, or 22.

For more technical data, see Archytas clan #Superpyth.

Interval chains

In these tables, odd harmonics 1–11 are in bold.

Archy (2.3.7)
# Cents* Approximate ratios
0 0.0 1/1
1 709.6 3/2
2 219.2 8/7, 9/8
3 928.8 12/7
4 438.4 9/7
5 1148.0 27/14
6 657.6 72/49, 81/56
7 167.2 54/49

* In 2.3.7-subgroup CTE tuning

Supra (2.3.7.11)
# Cents* Approximate ratios
0 0.0 1/1
1 708.5 3/2
2 216.9 8/7, 9/8
3 925.4 12/7
4 433.8 9/7, 14/11
5 1142.3 21/11, 27/14, 64/33
6 650.7 16/11
7 159.2 12/11

* In 2.3.7.11-subgroup CTE tuning

Full 7-limit superpyth
# Cents* Approximate ratios
7-limit 11-limit extension
Superpyth Suprapyth
0 0.0 1/1
1 709.6 3/2
2 219.2 8/7, 9/8
3 928.8 12/7
4 438.4 9/7 14/11
5 1148.0 27/14, 35/18 88/45 21/11, 64/33
6 657.5 35/24, 40/27 22/15 16/11
7 167.1 10/9 11/10 12/11
8 876.7 5/3 33/20 18/11
9 386.3 5/4 27/22
10 1095.9 15/8, 40/21
11 605.5 10/7
12 115.1 15/14
13 824.7 45/28 44/27
14 334.3 60/49 11/9 40/33
15 1043.9 50/27 11/6 20/11
16 553.5 25/18 11/8 15/11
17 63.0 25/24 22/21, 33/32 45/44

* In 7-limit CTE tuning

Scales

5-note mos (2L 3s, proper)
  • Archy5 – archy in 472edo tuning
7-note mos (5L 2s, improper)
  • Archy7 – archy in 472edo tuning
  • Supra7 – supra in 56edo tuning

In contrast to the meantone diatonic scale, the superpyth diatonic is improper.

12-note mos (5L 7s, borderline improper)
  • Archy12 – archy in 472edo tuning
  • Supra12 – supra in 56edo tuning
  • 12-22a – superpyth in 22edo tuning

The boundary of propriety is 17edo.

Tunings

The plastic number has a value of ~486.822 cents, which, taken as a generator (~4/3) and assuming an octave period, constitutes a variety of superpyth. This can be explained since superpyth equates 21/16 and 4/3, making the 9:12:16:21 chord evenly spaced by ~4/3, and when keeping ~9 + ~12 = ~21 the generator becomes the plastic number.

Prime-optimized tunings

2.3.7-subgroup prime-optimized tunings
Euclidean
Unskewed Skewed
Equilateral CEE: ~3/2 = 712.8606¢
(2/5-comma)
CSEE: ~3/2 = 711.9997¢
(7/19-comma)
Tenney CTE: ~3/2 = 709.5948¢ CWE: ~3/2 = 709.3901¢
Benedetti,
Wilson
CBE: ~3/2 = 707.7286¢
(18/85-comma)
CSBE: ~3/2 = 707.9869¢
(25/113-comma)
7-limit prime-optimized tunings
Euclidean
Unskewed Skewed
Equilateral CEE: ~3/2 = 709.7805¢ CSEE: ~3/2 = 710.2428¢
Tenney CTE: ~3/2 = 709.5907¢ CWE: ~3/2 = 710.1193¢
Benedetti,
Wilson
CBE: ~3/2 = 709.4859¢ CSBE: ~3/2 = 710.0321¢

Tuning spectrum

Edo
generator
Eigenmonzo
(unchanged-interval)
*
Generator (¢) Comments
3/2 701.955 Pythagorean tuning
10\17 705.882 Lower bound of 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone
81/56 706.499 1/6 comma
27/14 707.408 1/5 comma
23\39 707.692 39cd val
9/7 708.771 1/4 comma, {1, 3, 7, 9} minimax
15/8 708.807
13\22 709.091
5/4 709.590 9-odd-limit minimax
49/27 709.745 2/7 comma
42\71 709.859 71d val
15/14 709.954
25/24 710.040
29\49 710.204
45\76 710.526 76bcd val
5/3 710.545
7/5 710.681 7-odd-limit minimax
7/6 711.043 1/3 comma, {1, 3, 7} minimax
16\27 711.111
21/20 711.553
9/5 711.772
19\32 712.500 32c val
55/32 712.544 Suprapyth mapping
49/48 712.861 2/5 comma, 2.3.7 subgroup CEE tuning
22\37 713.514 37cc val
25\42 714.286 42cc val
7/4 715.587 1/2 comma
3\5 720.000 Upper bound of 7- and 9-odd-limit diamond monotone
21/16 729.219 Full comma

* Besides the octave

Other tunings

  • DKW (2.3.5 superpyth): ~2 = 1200.000, ~3/2 = 709.758
  • DKW (2.3.7 archy): ~2 = 1200.000, ~3/2 = 712.585

Music

Lillian Hearne
Both in 22edo tuning
Joel Grant Taylor
All in Superpyth[12], 22edo tuning.

See also