Schismatic family
The 5-limit parent comma for the schismatic family is the schisma of 32805/32768, which is the amount by which the Pythagorean comma exceeds the Didymus comma (81/80), or alternatively put, the difference between a just major third and a Pythagorean diminished fourth. Its monzo is [-15 8 1⟩, and flipping that yields ⟨⟨ 1 -8 -15 ]] for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a fifth and 5/4 is represented by a diminished fourth. In fact, 10 = (4/3)8 × 32805/32768.
Schismatic aka Helmholtz
The 5-limit version of the temperament is a microtemperament, sometimes called Helmholtz, schismic or schismatic, which flattens the fifth by a fraction of a schisma, but some other members of the family are less accurate. As a 5-limit system, it is far more accurate than meantone but still with manageable complexity. 53edo is a possible tuning for schismatic, but you need 118edo if you want to get the full effect. In exact analogy with 1/4 comma meantone there is also 1/8 schismatic, with pure major thirds and fifths flattened by 1/8 schisma. Since 1/8 of a schisma is 0.244 cents, this falls into the range of microtempering. You could also try 1/9 schisma, with pure minor thirds and a minutely better 5th, or 2/17 schisma, with both thirds flat by 1/17 of a schisma, although the differences would be very hard to distinguish unless using a large gamut.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: 32805/32768
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15], ⟨0 1 -8]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.736
- valid range: ~3/2 = [700.000, 705.882] (7\12 to 10\17)
- nice range: ~3/2 = [701.711, 701.955]
- strict range: ~3/2 = [701.711, 701.955]
Optimal ET sequence: 12, 29, 41, 53, 118, 171, 289, 460, 749, 3456bc, 4205bc, 4954bc, 5703bbc, 6452bbcc
Badness: 0.004259
Seven-limit extensions
The second comma of the normal comma list defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at.
- Garibaldi adds [25 -14 0 -1⟩,
- Grackle adds [-44 26 0 1⟩,
- Schism adds [6 -2 0 -1⟩,
- Pontiac adds [-59 39 0 -1⟩.
Those all have a fifth as generator.
- Bischismic adds [-69 40 0 2⟩ and has a fifth generator with a half-octave period.
- Guiron adds [-10 1 0 3⟩, with an 8/7 generator, three of which give the fifth.
- Term adds [-94 54 0 3⟩ with a 1/3 octave period.
- Sesquiquartififths adds [-35 15 0 4⟩ and slices the fifth in four.
Temperaments not discussed here include salsa, guiron, hemischis and karadeniz.
Garibaldi
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 225/224, 3125/3087
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 25], ⟨0 1 -8 -14]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 1 -8 -14 -15 -25 -10 ]]
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 702.085
- [[1 0 0 0⟩, [5/3 1/15 0 -1/15⟩, [5/3 -8/15 0 8/15⟩, [5/3 -14/15 0 14/15⟩]
- Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/6
- [[1 0 0 0⟩, [25/16 1/8 0 -1/16⟩, [5/2 -1 0 1/2⟩, [25/8 -7/4 0 7/8⟩]
- Eigenmonzos: 2, 9/7
- valid range: ~3/2 = [700.000, 703.448] (7\12 to 17\29)
- nice range: ~3/2 = [701.711, 702.915]
- strict range: ~3/2 = [701.711, 702.915]
Badness: 0.021644
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 385/384, 2200/2187
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 25 -33], ⟨0 1 -8 -14 23]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 702.157
Minimax tuning:
- 11-odd-limit
- [[1 0 0 0 0⟩, [25/16 1/8 0 -1/16 0⟩, [5/2 -1 0 1/2 0⟩, [25/8 -7/4 0 7/8 0⟩, [47/16 23/8 0 -23/16 0⟩]
- Eigenmonzos: 2, 9/7
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.027396
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 225/224, 275/273, 325/324, 385/384
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 25 -33 -28], ⟨0 1 -8 -14 23 20]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 702.113
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.020676
Andromeda
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 100/99, 225/224, 245/242
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 25 32], ⟨0 1 -8 -14 -18]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 702.321
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.023556
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 196/195, 245/242
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 25 32 37], ⟨0 1 -8 -14 -18 -21]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 702.559
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.020749
Helenus
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 99/98, 176/175, 3125/3087
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 25 51], ⟨0 1 -8 -14 -30]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.725
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.035637
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 99/98, 176/175, 275/273, 847/845
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 25 51 56], ⟨0 1 -8 -14 -30 -33]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.747
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.026284
Hemigari
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 121/120, 225/224, 3125/3087
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 25 9], ⟨0 2 -16 -28 -7]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~110/63
POTE generator: ~63/55 = 248.918
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.050681
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 121/120, 169/168, 225/224, 275/273
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 25 9 14], ⟨0 2 -16 -28 -7 -13]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~26/15
POTE generator: ~15/13 = 248.918
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.027464
Sanjaab
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 1331/1323, 3125/3087
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 -3 0], ⟨0 -3 24 42 25]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10
POTE generator: ~11/10 = 165.974
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.058040
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 225/224, 275/273, 847/845, 1331/1323
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 -3 0 -1], ⟨0 -3 24 42 25 34]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~11/10
POTE generator: ~11/10 = 165.963
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.033849
Schism
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 64/63, 360/343
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 6], ⟨0 1 -8 -2]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.556
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 1 -8 -2 -15 -6 18 ]]
Badness: 0.056648
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 45/44, 64/63, 99/98
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 6 13], ⟨0 1 -8 -2 -6]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
POTE generator ~3/2 = 702.136
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.037482
Pontiac
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 4375/4374, 32805/32768
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 -59], ⟨0 1 -8 39]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 1 -8 39 -15 59 113 ]]
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.757
- [[1 0 0 0⟩, [74/47 0 -1/47 1/47⟩, [113/47 0 8/47 -8/47⟩, [113/47 0 -39/47 39/47⟩]
- Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/5
- [[1 0 0 0⟩, [3/2 1/5 -1/10 0⟩, [3 -8/5 4/5 0⟩, [-1/2 39/5 -39/10 0⟩]
- Eigenmonzos: 2, 10/9
- valid range: ~3/2 = [701.538, 701.886] (38\65 to 31\53)
- nice range: ~3/2 = [701.711, 701.955]
- strict range: ~3/2 = [701.711, 701.886]
Badness: 0.014133
Grackle
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 126/125, 32805/32768
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 -44], ⟨0 1 -8 -26]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~3
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 1 -8 -26 -15 -44 -38 ]]
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.239
- 7-odd-limit eigenmonzos: 2, 7/6
- 9-odd-limit eigenmonzos: 2, 9/7
Badness: 0.070407
Bischismic
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 3136/3125, 32805/32768
Mapping: [⟨2 0 30 69], ⟨0 1 -8 -20]]
Mapping generators: ~567/400, ~3
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 2 -16 -40 -30 -69 -48 ]]
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.592
- 7-odd-limit eigenmonzos: 2, 7/6
- 9-odd-limit eigenmonzos: 2, 9/7
Badness: 0.054744
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 441/440, 3136/3125, 8019/8000
Mapping: [⟨2 0 30 69 102], ⟨0 1 -8 -20 -30]]
Mapping generators: ~99/70, ~3
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.612
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.028160
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 441/440, 729/728, 1001/1000, 3136/3125
Mapping generators: ~99/70, ~3
Mapping: [⟨2 0 30 69 102 -75], ⟨0 1 -8 -20 -30 26]]
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.590
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.028722
Kleischismic
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 32805/32768, 1500625/1492992
Mapping: [⟨2 1 22 -15], ⟨0 2 -16 19]]
Mapping generators: ~1225/864, ~35/24
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 4 -32 38 -60 49 178 ]]
POTE generator: ~36/35 = 50.920
Badness: 0.110583
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 385/384, 9801/9800, 14641/14580
Mapping: [⟨2 1 22 -15 8], ⟨0 2 -16 19 -1]]
Mapping generators: ~99/70, ~16/11
POTE generator: ~36/35 = 50.918
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.036749
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 352/351, 385/384, 729/728, 1575/1573
Mapping: [⟨2 1 22 -15 8 15], ⟨0 2 -16 19 -1 -7]]
Mapping generators: ~99/70, ~16/11
POTE generator: ~36/35 = 50.938
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.037640
Pogo
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 32805/32768, 118098/117649
Mapping: [⟨2 1 22 2], ⟨0 3 -24 5]]
Mapping generators: ~343/243, ~9/7
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 6 -48 10 -90 -1 158 ]]
POTE generator: ~9/7 = 433.901
Badness: 0.079635
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 540/539, 4000/3993, 32805/32768
Mapping: [⟨2 1 22 2 25], ⟨0 3 -24 5 -25]]
Mapping generators: ~99/70, ~9/7
POTE generator: ~9/7 = 433.911
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.031857
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 540/539, 729/728, 4000/3993, 4225/4224
Mapping: [⟨2 1 22 2 25 -2], ⟨0 3 -24 5 -25 13]]
Mapping generators: ~99/70, ~9/7
POTE generator: ~9/7 = 433.911
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.017514
Squirrel
The squirrel temperament (29&36) has an 11/10 generator, three of which give the fourth (4/3), and thirteen of which give 7/4 with octave reduction.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 686/675, 32805/32768
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 1], ⟨0 -3 24 13]]
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 3 -24 -13 -45 -29 37 ]]
POTE generator: ~160/147 = 166.140
Badness: 0.174705
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 245/242, 686/675, 896/891
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 1 0], ⟨0 -3 24 13 25]]
POTE generator: ~11/10 = 166.097
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.068310
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 91/90, 169/168, 245/242, 896/891
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 1 0 3], ⟨0 -3 24 13 25 5]]
POTE generator: ~11/10 = 166.054
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.043750
Tertiaschis
The tertiaschis temperament (94&159, named by Xenllium) has an 11/10 generator and tempers out 1071785/1062882.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 32805/32768, 1071875/1062882
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 10], ⟨0 -3 24 -52]]
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 3 -24 52 -45 74 188 ]]
POTE generator: ~192/175 = 166.019
Badness: 0.211859
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 385/384, 4000/3993, 19712/19683
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 10 0], ⟨0 -3 24 -52 25]]
POTE generator: ~11/10 = 166.017
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.061336
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 325/324, 385/384, 1575/1573, 10985/10976
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 10 0 12], ⟨0 -3 24 -52 25 -60]]
POTE generator: ~11/10 = 166.016
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.036700
17-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Comma list: 325/324, 375/374, 385/384, 595/594, 10985/10976
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 10 0 12 -2], ⟨0 -3 24 -52 25 -60 44]]
POTE generator: ~11/10 = 166.012
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.026504
Term
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 32805/32768, 250047/250000
Mapping: [⟨3 0 45 94], ⟨0 1 -8 -18]]
Mapping generators: ~63/50, ~3
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 3 -24 -54 -45 -94 -58 ]]
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.742
- 7-odd-limit eigenmonzos: 2, 6/5
- 9-odd-limit eigenmonzos: 2, 9/7
Badness: 0.019950
Sesquiquartififths
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 2401/2400, 32805/32768
Mapping: [⟨1 1 7 5], ⟨0 4 -32 -15]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~448/405
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 4 -32 -15 -60 -35 55 ]]
POTE generator: ~448/405 = 175.434
- 7-odd-limit eigenmonzos: 2, 7/6
- 9-odd-limit eigenmonzos: 2, 9/7
Badness: 0.011244
Sesquart
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 16384/16335
Mapping: [⟨1 1 7 5 2], ⟨0 4 -32 -15 10]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~256/231
POTE generator: ~256/231 = 175.406
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.029306
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 243/242, 364/363, 441/440, 3584/3575
Mapping: [⟨1 1 7 5 2 -2], ⟨0 4 -32 -15 10 39]]
POTE generator: ~256/231 = 175.409
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.022396
Bisesqui
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 2401/2400, 9801/9800, 32805/32768
Mapping: [⟨2 2 14 10 23], ⟨0 4 -32 -15 -55]]
POTE generator: ~448/405 = 175.435
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.016968
Sextilififths
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 32768/32805, 235298/234375
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 -1], ⟨0 -6 48 55]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~21/20
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 6 -48 -55 -90 -104 7 ]]
POTE generator: ~21/20 = 83.053
Badness: 0.108794
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 441/440, 4000/3993, 235298/234375
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 -1 0], ⟨0 -6 48 55 50]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~21/20
POTE generator: ~21/20 = 83.049
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.045457
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 364/363, 441/440, 676/675, 10985/10976
Mapping: [⟨1 2 -1 -1 0 1], ⟨0 -6 48 55 50 39]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~21/20
POTE generator: ~21/20 = 83.049
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.025276
Tsaharuk
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 32805/32768, 420175/419904
Mapping: [⟨1 1 7 0], ⟨0 5 -40 24]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~243/224
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 5 -40 24 -75 24 168 ]]
POTE generator: ~243/224 = 140.350
Badness: 0.030697
Quanharuk
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 16875/16807, 32805/32768
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 12], ⟨0 5 -40 -29]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~56/45
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 5 -40 -29 -75 -60 45 ]]
POTE generator: ~56/45 = 380.355
Badness: 0.071950
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 540/539, 1375/1372, 32805/32768
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 12 -7], ⟨0 5 -40 -29 33]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~56/45
POTE generator: ~56/45 = 380.352
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.031549
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 540/539, 729/728, 1375/1372, 4096/4095
Mapping: [⟨1 0 15 12 -7 -15], ⟨0 5 -40 -29 33 59]]
Mapping generators: ~2, ~56/45
POTE generator: ~56/45 = 380.351
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.021392
Quadrant
The quadrant temperament (12&224, named by Xenllium) has a period of quarter octave and tempers out the dimcomp comma, 390625/388962. In this temperament, 25/21 is mapped into quarter octave.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 32805/32768, 390625/388962
Mapping: [⟨4 0 60 119], ⟨0 1 -8 -17]]
Mapping generators: ~25/21, ~3
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 4 -32 -68 -60 -119 -68 ]]
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 198.177
Badness: 0.110242
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 1375/1372, 6250/6237, 32805/32768
Mapping: [⟨4 0 60 119 185], ⟨0 1 -8 -17 -27]]
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 198.181
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.045738
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 625/624, 1375/1372, 2080/2079, 10648/10647
Mapping: [⟨4 0 60 119 185 224], ⟨0 1 -8 -17 -27 -33]]
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 198.184
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.027243
Octant
The octant temperament (224&472) has a period of 1/8 octave. In this temperament, 12/11, 35/27, and 99/70 are mapped into 1\8, 3\8, and 4\8 respectively.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 32805/32768, 2259436291848/2251875390625
Mapping: [⟨8 0 120 -117], ⟨0 1 -8 11]]
Mapping generators: ~42875/39366, ~3
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 8 -64 88 -120 117 384 ]]
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.713
Badness: 0.157186
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 9801/9800, 32805/32768, 46656/46585
Mapping: [⟨8 0 120 -117 15], ⟨0 1 -8 11 1]]
Mapping generators: ~12/11, ~3
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.713
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.044778
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 729/728, 1575/1573, 2200/2197, 6656/6655
Mapping: [⟨8 0 120 -117 15 93], ⟨0 1 -8 11 1 -5]]
Mapping generators: ~12/11, ~3
POTE generator: ~3/2 = 701.725
Vals: Template:Val list
Badness: 0.030425