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== Temperaments ==
== Temperaments ==
[[Tempering out]] this comma leads to the '''kalismic temperament''', which splits the [[octave]] into two equal parts, each representing 99/70~140/99. Tempering it out also means that [[10/9]] and [[11/7]] are 1/2-octave apart, as well as are [[11/10]] and [[14/9]]. Odd-numbered edos cannot temper it out, as they do not have a semioctave.
[[Tempering out]] this comma leads to the '''kalismic temperament''', which splits the [[octave]] into two equal parts, each representing 99/70~140/99. Tempering it out also means that the [[pythagorean comma]] is split into two [[2835/2816]] halves, [[10/9]] and [[11/7]] are a semioctave apart, as well as are [[11/10]] and [[14/9]]. Odd-numbered edos cannot temper it out, as they do not have a semioctave.


See [[Rank-4 temperament #Kalismic (9801/9800)]] for some technical details. See [[Kalismic temperaments]] for a collection of rank-3 temperaments where it is tempered out.
See [[Rank-4 temperament #Kalismic (9801/9800)]] for some technical details. See [[Kalismic temperaments]] for a collection of rank-3 temperaments where it is tempered out.

Revision as of 08:37, 9 April 2026

Interval information
Ratio 9801/9800
Factorization 2-3 × 34 × 5-2 × 7-2 × 112
Monzo [-3 4 -2 -2 2
Size in cents 0.1766475¢
Name kalisma
Color name 1oorrgg-2, Bilorugu comma
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{M}{-2}^{11,11}_{5,5,7,7} }[/math]
Special properties square superparticular,
reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 26.5173
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 26.5174
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 64
Comma size unnoticeable
S-expressions S99,
S33/S35
Open this interval in xen-calc

9801/9800, the kalisma, sometimes described as Gauss' comma, is an unnoticeable 11-limit comma measuring about 0.18 ¢. It is the smallest 11-limit superparticular interval. It can be described as the difference between 99/70 and its octave complement 140/99, or between (35/33)2 and 9/8.

In terms of superparticular commas, it is the difference between:

It is also the difference between the following notable non-superparticular commas:

It also factors into the two smallest 13-limit superparticular commas: 9801/9800 = (10648/10647)⋅(123201/123200).

Temperaments

Tempering out this comma leads to the kalismic temperament, which splits the octave into two equal parts, each representing 99/70~140/99. Tempering it out also means that the pythagorean comma is split into two 2835/2816 halves, 10/9 and 11/7 are a semioctave apart, as well as are 11/10 and 14/9. Odd-numbered edos cannot temper it out, as they do not have a semioctave.

See Rank-4 temperament #Kalismic (9801/9800) for some technical details. See Kalismic temperaments for a collection of rank-3 temperaments where it is tempered out.

Etymology

This comma was named kalisma by Margo Schulter in 2000 from the Greek root kal- ("beautiful")[1]. Gene Ward Smith, not aware of Margo's work, proposed gaussisma in 2004, reasoning that D. H. Lehmer claimed Carl Friedrich Gauss had mentioned the ratio[2].

See also

References