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{{ See also | Father–3 equivalence continuum/Godtone's approach }}
{{See also Father–3 equivalence continuum/Godtone's approach }}


The '''father–3 equivalence continuum''' is a [[equivalence continuum|continuum]] of [[5-limit]] [[regular temperament|temperaments]] which equate a number of [[16/15|classical diatonic semitones (16/15)]] with the [[32/27|Pythagorean minor third (32/27)]].
The '''father–3 equivalence continuum''' is a [[equivalence continuum|continuum]] of [[5-limit]] [[regular temperament|temperaments]] which equate a number of [[16/15|classical diatonic semitones (16/15)]] with the [[32/27|Pythagorean minor third (32/27)]].
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| [[Very low accuracy temperaments#Yo (2c&3)|Yo]]
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We may invert the continuum by setting ''m'' such that 1/''m'' + 1/''n'' = 1. This may be called the ''yo–3 equivalence continuum'', which is essentially the same thing. The just value of ''m'' is 1.61255…  
We may invert the continuum by setting ''m'' such that {{nowrap| 1/''m'' + 1/''n'' {{=}} 1 }}. This may be called the ''yo–3 equivalence continuum'', which is essentially the same thing. The just value of ''m'' is 1.61255…  


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Revision as of 05:55, 11 September 2025

Template:See also Father–3 equivalence continuum/Godtone's approach

The father–3 equivalence continuum is a continuum of 5-limit temperaments which equate a number of classical diatonic semitones (16/15) with the Pythagorean minor third (32/27).

All temperaments in the continuum satisfy (16/15)n ~ 32/27. Varying n results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to father as n approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite n, the continuum describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 3edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers both commas and thus tempers all combinations of them. The just value of n is approximately 2.63252…, and temperaments having n near this value tend to be the most accurate ones.

32/27 is the characteristic 3-limit comma tempered out in 3edo. In each case, n equals the order of harmonic 5 in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of steps to obtain the interval class of 3 in the generator chain.

Temperaments with integer n
n Temperament Comma
Ratio Monzo
0 Alteraugment 32/27 [5 -3
1 Yo 10/9 [1 -2 1
2 Dicot 25/24 [-3 -1 2
3 Augmented 128/125 [7 0 -3
4 Smate 2048/1875 [11 -1 -4
Father 16/15 [4 -1 -1

We may invert the continuum by setting m such that 1/m + 1/n = 1. This may be called the yo–3 equivalence continuum, which is essentially the same thing. The just value of m is 1.61255…

Temperaments with integer m
m Temperament Comma
Ratio Monzo
0 Alteraugment 32/27 [5 -3
1 Father 16/15 [4 -1 -1
2 Dicot 25/24 [-3 -1 2
Yo 10/9 [1 -2 1
Temperaments with fractional n and m
n m Temperament Comma
7/3 = 2.3 7/4 = 1.75 Wesley [13 2 -7
5/2 = 2.5 5/3 = 1.6 Magic [10 1 -5
8/3 = 2.6 8/5 = 1.6 Würschmidt [17 1 -8
19/7 = 2.714285 19/12 = 1.583 Isnes [41 2 -19
11/4 = 2.75 11/7 = 1.571428 Magus [24 1 -11

Godtone has conceptualized this continuum as augmented–chromatic equivalence continuum, where chromatic refers to the classical version of the semitone. See Father–3 equivalence continuum/Godtone's approach.

Others prefer conceptualizing this continuum in terms of k = 1/n − 2 such that temperaments satisfy (25/24)k = 16/15. This gives rise to the name chromatic–diatonic equivalence continuum, where both chromatic and diatonic refer to the classical versions of semitones. The just value of k is approximately 1.58097…

Temperaments with integer k
k Temperament Comma
Ratio Monzo
-1 Yo 10/9 [1 -2 1
0 Father 16/15 [4 -1 -1
1 Augmented 128/125 [7 0 -3
2 Magic 3125/3072 [10 1 -5
3 Wesley 78125/73728 [13 2 -7
4 3 & 33c 1953125/1769472 [16 3 -9
Dicot 25/24 [-3 -1 2

3 & 33c

This low-accuracy high-complexity temperament corresponds to n = 9/4 and m = 9/5.

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: 1953125/1769472

Mapping[3 2 6], 0 3 1]]

mapping generators: ~125/96, ~5/4

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~125/96 = 1\3, ~5/4 = 368.2534 (~25/24 = 31.7466)
  • CWE: ~125/96 = 1\3, ~5/4 = 366.8103 (~25/24 = 33.1897)

Optimal ET sequence3, …, 33c, 36c, 69cc

Badness: 0.682

Isnes

Isnes is so called because the generator is half of a 8/5 minor sixth, in a similar way that sensi has a generator of half a 5/3. This corresponds to n = 19/7 and m = 19/12}}.

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: [41 2 -19

Mapping[1 8 3], 0 -19 -2]]

mapping generators: ~2, ~1953125/1572864

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~2 = 1\1, ~1953125/1572864 = 405.1689
  • CWE: ~2 = 1\1, ~1953125/1572864 = 405.1272

Optimal ET sequence3, 71b, 74, 77, 157, 548ccc

Badness: 1.30