Porcupine extensions: Difference between revisions
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| Lower bound of 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | | Lower bound of 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | ||
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| | | 37ff val | ||
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| | | 22f val, upper bound of 7-, 9-, 11, and 13-odd-limit diamond monotone | ||
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| 166.015 | | 166.015 | ||
| Upper bound of 5- and 7-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | | Upper bound of 5- and 7-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | ||
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| 182.404 | | 182.404 | ||
| Upper bound of 9- and 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | | Upper bound of 9- and 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | ||
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=== Porcupinefish === | === Porcupinefish === | ||
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Revision as of 12:53, 21 April 2025
Porcupine has various extensions to the 13-limit. Adding the 13th harmonic to porcupine is not very simple, because 13 tends to fall in between the simple intervals produced by porcupine's generator. The extensions are:
- Tridecimal porcupine (15 & 22f) – tempering out 40/39, 55/54, 64/63, and 66/65;
- Porkpie (15f & 22) – tempering out 55/54, 64/63, 65/63, 100/99;
- Porcupinefish (15 & 22) – tempering out 55/54, 64/63, 91/90, and 100/99;
- Porcup (15f & 22f) – tempering out 55/54, 64/63, 100/99, and 196/195.
Tridecimal porcupine maps 13/8 to -2 generator steps and conflates it with 5/3 and 18/11, tempering out 40/39. This is where the generator, representing 10/9, 11/10, and 12/11, goes one step further to stand in for ~13/12. Porkpie maps 13/8 to +5 generator steps and conflates it with 8/5, tempering out 65/64. The generator now represents ~14/13. Without optimization for the 13-limit, tridecimal porcupine sharpens the interval class of 13 by about 30 cents, and porkpie flattens it by about 20.
The other pair of extensions are of higher complexity, but are well rewarded with better intonation. Porcupinefish's mapping of 13 is available at -17 generator steps. This equates the sharply tuned diatonic major third of porcupine with 13/10 along with 9/7, and requires a much more precise tuning of the porcupine generator to 161.5–163.5 cents to tune the 13th harmonic well. Porcup's mapping of 13 is available at +20 generator steps. They unite in 37edo, which can be recommended as a tuning for both.
Prime 17 can be found at +8 generator steps, in which case -14 generator steps represent 18/17. This conflates 16/15 with 17/16, tempering out 256/255, and 15/14 with 18/17, tempering out 85/84. It can also be found at -14 generator steps, in which case +8 generator steps represent 18/17. This conflates 17/16 with 15/14, tempering out 120/119, and 18/17 with 16/15, tempering out 136/135. Both steps tend to be tuned between around 90 and 130 cents.
Interval chain
In the following table, odd harmonics and subharmonics 1–13 are in bold.
# | Cents* | Approximate ratios | ||||
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11-limit | 13-limit extensions | |||||
Porcupine | Porcupinefish | Porkpie | Porcup | |||
0 | 0.0 | 1/1 | ||||
1 | 162.8 | 10/9, 11/10, 12/11 | 13/12 | 14/13 | ||
2 | 325.6 | 6/5, 11/9 | 13/11, 16/13 | 26/21 | ||
3 | 488.4 | 4/3 | 13/10 | |||
4 | 651.3 | 16/11, 22/15 | 13/9 | |||
5 | 814.1 | 8/5 | 21/13 | 13/8 | ||
6 | 976.9 | 7/4, 16/9 | 26/15 | |||
7 | 1139.7 | 48/25, 64/33, 160/81 | 52/27 | 25/13 | 39/20 | |
8 | 102.5 | 16/15, 21/20 | 14/13, 26/25 | 27/26 | 13/12 | |
9 | 265.3 | 7/6 | 15/13 | 13/11 | ||
10 | 428.2 | 14/11 | 13/10 | |||
11 | 591.0 | 7/5 | 18/13 | 13/9 | ||
12 | 753.8 | 14/9 | 20/13 | |||
13 | 916.6 | 42/25 | 22/13 | 26/15 | ||
14 | 1079.4 | 28/15 | 24/13 | 52/27 | 13/7 | |
15 | 42.2 | 28/27, 49/48 | 40/39 | 26/25 | ||
16 | 205.0 | 28/25 | ||||
17 | 367.9 | 49/40, 56/45 | 16/13 | 26/21 | ||
18 | 530.7 | 49/36 | ||||
19 | 693.5 | 49/33 | ||||
20 | 856.3 | 49/30 | 21/13 | 13/8 | ||
21 | 1019.1 | 49/27 | ||||
22 | 1181.9 | 49/25 | 39/20 |
* In 11-limit CWE tuning, octave reduced
Tuning spectrum
Tridecimal porcupine
Edo generator |
Eigenmonzo (Unchanged-interval) |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
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13/12 | 138.573 | ||
13/11 | 144.605 | ||
1\8 | 150.000 | 8d val, lower bound of 5-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
11/6 | 150.637 | Lower bound of 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | |
13/10 | 151.405 | ||
5/3 | 157.821 | Lower bound of 5-, 7-, and 9-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | |
15/13 | 158.710 | ||
13/9 | 159.154 | ||
2\15 | 160.000 | Lower bound of 7-, 9-, 11-, and 13-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
7/4 | 161.471 | ||
11/7 | 161.751 | ||
7/5 | 162.047 | ||
5\37 | 162.162 | 37ff val | |
11/8 | 162.171 | 13- and 15-odd-limit minimax | |
8\59 | 162.712 | 59fff val | |
5/4 | 162.737 | 5- and 7-odd-limit minimax | |
15/14 | 162.897 | ||
7/6 | 162.986 | ||
3\22 | 163.636 | 22f val, upper bound of 7-, 9-, 11, and 13-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
9/7 | 163.743 | 9- and 11-odd-limit minimax | |
15/8 | 163.966 | ||
11/10 | 165.004 | ||
15/11 | 165.762 | ||
3/2 | 166.015 | Upper bound of 5- and 7-odd-limit diamond tradeoff | |
13/7 | 166.037 | ||
1\7 | 171.429 | Upper bound of 5-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
11/9 | 173.704 | ||
13/8 | 179.736 | ||
9/5 | 182.404 | Upper bound of 9- and 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff |
Porcupinefish
Edo generator |
Eigenmonzo (unchanged-interval) |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
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11/6 | 150.637 | ||
5/3 | 157.821 | ||
2\15 | 160.000 | Lower bound of 7-, 9-, 11-, and 13-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
13/9 | 160.307 | ||
15/13 | 160.860 | ||
7/4 | 161.471 | ||
13/12 | 161.531 | ||
11/7 | 161.751 | ||
7/5 | 162.047 | ||
13/7 | 162.100 | ||
13/10 | 162.149 | ||
5\37 | 162.162 | Upper bound of 13-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
11/8 | 162.171 | ||
13/8 | 162.322 | ||
13/11 | 162.368 | 13- and 15-odd-limit minimax | |
8\59 | 162.712 | ||
5/4 | 162.737 | 5- and 7-odd-limit minimax | |
15/14 | 162.897 | ||
7/6 | 162.986 | ||
3\22 | 163.636 | Upper bound of 7-, 9-, and 11-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
9/7 | 163.743 | 9- and 11-odd-limit minimax | |
15/8 | 163.966 | ||
11/10 | 165.004 | ||
15/11 | 165.762 | ||
3/2 | 166.015 | ||
1\7 | 171.429 | Upper bound of 5-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
11/9 | 173.704 | ||
9/5 | 182.404 |