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| Prime factorization = 5 (prime) | | Prime factorization = 5 (prime) | ||
| Step size = 240¢ | | Step size = 240¢ | ||
| Fifth | | Fifth = 3\5 = 720¢ | ||
| Major 2nd = 1\5 = 240¢ | | Major 2nd = 1\5 = 240¢ | ||
| Minor 2nd = 0\5 = 0¢ | | Minor 2nd = 0\5 = 0¢ | ||
| Augmented 1sn = 1\5 = 240¢ | | Augmented 1sn = 1\5 = 240¢ | ||
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'''5-edo''' divides the | '''5-edo''' divides the octave into 5 equal parts, making its smallest interval exactly 240 [[cent]]s, or the fifth root of two. 5-edo is the 3rd [[prime numbers|prime]] edo, after [[2edo]] and [[3edo]]. Most importantly, 5-edo is the smallest [[edo]] containing xenharmonic intervals! (1edo 2edo 3edo 4edo are all subsets of 12edo.) | ||
== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable center-all" | ||
! colspan="2" | | ! colspan="2" | <!-- empty cell --> | ||
!prime 2 | ! prime 2 | ||
!prime 3 | ! prime 3 | ||
!prime 5 | ! prime 5 | ||
!prime 7 | ! prime 7 | ||
!prime 11 | ! prime 11 | ||
!prime 13 | ! prime 13 | ||
!prime 17 | ! prime 17 | ||
!prime 19 | ! prime 19 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! rowspan="2" |error | ! rowspan="2" | error | ||
!absolute (¢) | ! absolute (¢) | ||
|0 | | 0.0 | ||
|18. | | +18.0 | ||
|93.7 | | +93.7 | ||
| -8.8 | | -8.8 | ||
| -71.3 | | -71.3 | ||
|119.5 | | +119.5 | ||
| -105.0 | | -105.0 | ||
| -57.5 | | -57.5 | ||
|- | |- | ||
![[Relative error|relative]] (%) | ! [[Relative error|relative]] (%) | ||
|0 | | 0 | ||
|8 | | +8 | ||
|39 | | +39 | ||
| -4 | | -4 | ||
| -30 | | -30 | ||
|50 | | +50 | ||
| -44 | | -44 | ||
| -24 | | -24 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! colspan="2" |[[nearest edomapping]] | ! colspan="2" | [[nearest edomapping]] | ||
|5 | | 5 | ||
|3 | | 3 | ||
|2 | | 2 | ||
|4 | | 4 | ||
|2 | | 2 | ||
|4 | | 4 | ||
|0 | | 0 | ||
|1 | | 1 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! colspan="2" |[[fifthspan]] | ! colspan="2" | [[fifthspan]] | ||
|0 | |0 | ||
| +1 | | +1 | ||
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| -1 | | -1 | ||
| -2 | | -2 | ||
|0 | | 0 | ||
| +2 | | +2 | ||
|} | |} | ||
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* naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C | * naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C | ||
* a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff. | * a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff. | ||
[[ | [[Kite Giedraitis]] has proposed a pentatonic notation that retains the appearance of heptatonic names, to avoid the confusion caused by one's lifelong association of "fourth" with 4/3, not 3/2. The interval names are unisoid, subthird, fourthoid, fifthoid, subseventh and octoid, or 1d s3 4d 5d s7 8d. When notating larger edos such as 8 or 13, there are major or minor sub3rds and sub7ths. Note that 15/8 is an octoid. | ||
== Observations == | == Observations == | ||
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=== Related scales === | === Related scales === | ||
* By its cardinality, 5-edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro | * By its cardinality, 5-edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro]]s. | ||
* Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[ | * Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5-edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc. | ||
* For the same reason there are many "circle sisters": | * For the same reason there are many "circle sisters": | ||
** Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5=7.985099. | ** Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5=7.985099. | ||
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5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable. | 5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable. | ||
In contrast to other EDOs, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in [[10edo | In contrast to other EDOs, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in [[10edo]]). | ||
Important chords: | Important chords: | ||
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== Commas == | == Commas == | ||
5-EDO tempers out the following [[commas]]. (Note: This assumes the val | 5-EDO tempers out the following [[commas]]. (Note: This assumes the val {{val| 5 8 12 14 17 19 }}.) | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
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! [[Monzo]] | ! [[Monzo]] | ||
! [[cent]]s | ! [[cent]]s | ||
! [[Color | ! [[Color name]] | ||
! Name | ! Name(s) | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 256/243 | | style="text-align:center;" | 256/243 | ||
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| style="text-align:right;" | 90.225 | | style="text-align:right;" | 90.225 | ||
| Sawa | | Sawa | ||
| Limma | | Limma, Pythagorean Minor 2nd | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 27/25 | | style="text-align:center;" | 27/25 | ||
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| Gugu | | Gugu | ||
| Large diatonic semit. | | Large diatonic semit. | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 16/15 | | style="text-align:center;" | 16/15 | ||
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| Gubi | | Gubi | ||
| Diatonic semitone | | Diatonic semitone | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 81/80 | | style="text-align:center;" | 81/80 | ||
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| style="text-align:right;" | 21.506 | | style="text-align:right;" | 21.506 | ||
| Gu | | Gu | ||
| Syntonic Comma | | Syntonic Comma, Didymos Comma, Meantone Comma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 2889416/2882415 | | style="text-align:center;" | 2889416/2882415 | ||
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| Sasa-quadyo | | Sasa-quadyo | ||
| Vulture | | Vulture | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 36/35 | | style="text-align:center;" | 36/35 | ||
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| Rugu | | Rugu | ||
| Septimal Quarter Tone | | Septimal Quarter Tone | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 49/48 | | style="text-align:center;" | 49/48 | ||
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| Zozo | | Zozo | ||
| Slendro Diesis | | Slendro Diesis | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 64/63 | | style="text-align:center;" | 64/63 | ||
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| style="text-align:right;" | 27.264 | | style="text-align:right;" | 27.264 | ||
| Ru | | Ru | ||
| Septimal Comma | | Septimal Comma, Archytas' Comma, Leipziger Komma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 245/243 | | style="text-align:center;" | 245/243 | ||
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| Zozoyo | | Zozoyo | ||
| Sensamagic | | Sensamagic | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 1728/1715 | | style="text-align:center;" | 1728/1715 | ||
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| style="text-align:right;" | 13.074 | | style="text-align:right;" | 13.074 | ||
| Triru-agu | | Triru-agu | ||
| Orwellisma | | Orwellisma, Orwell Comma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 1029/1024 | | style="text-align:center;" | 1029/1024 | ||
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| Latrizo | | Latrizo | ||
| Gamelisma | | Gamelisma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 19683/19600 | | style="text-align:center;" | 19683/19600 | ||
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| Labiruru | | Labiruru | ||
| Cataharry | | Cataharry | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 5120/5103 | | style="text-align:center;" | 5120/5103 | ||
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| Saruyo | | Saruyo | ||
| Hemifamity | | Hemifamity | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 1065875/1063543 | | style="text-align:center;" | 1065875/1063543 | ||
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| Latritrizo-ayo | | Latritrizo-ayo | ||
| Wadisma | | Wadisma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 420175/419904 | | style="text-align:center;" | 420175/419904 | ||
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| Quinzo-ayoyo | | Quinzo-ayoyo | ||
| Wizma | | Wizma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 11/10 | | style="text-align:center;" | 11/10 | ||
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| Logu | | Logu | ||
| Large neutral second | | Large neutral second | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 99/98 | | style="text-align:center;" | 99/98 | ||
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| Loruru | | Loruru | ||
| Mothwellsma | | Mothwellsma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 896/891 | | style="text-align:center;" | 896/891 | ||
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| Saluzo | | Saluzo | ||
| Pentacircle | | Pentacircle | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 385/384 | | style="text-align:center;" | 385/384 | ||
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| Lozoyo | | Lozoyo | ||
| Keenanisma | | Keenanisma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 441/440 | | style="text-align:center;" | 441/440 | ||
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| Luzozogu | | Luzozogu | ||
| Werckisma | | Werckisma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 3025/3024 | | style="text-align:center;" | 3025/3024 | ||
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| Loloruyoyo | | Loloruyoyo | ||
| Lehmerisma | | Lehmerisma | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 14/13 | | style="text-align:center;" | 14/13 | ||
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| style="text-align:right;" | 128.298 | | style="text-align:right;" | 128.298 | ||
| Thuzo | | Thuzo | ||
| | | | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| Thozogu | | Thozogu | ||
| Superleap | | Superleap | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 676/675 | | style="text-align:center;" | 676/675 | ||
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| Bithogu | | Bithogu | ||
| Parizeksma | | Parizeksma | ||
|} | |} | ||
Revision as of 14:59, 18 December 2020
| ← 4edo | 5edo | 6edo → |
(convergent)
5-edo divides the octave into 5 equal parts, making its smallest interval exactly 240 cents, or the fifth root of two. 5-edo is the 3rd prime edo, after 2edo and 3edo. Most importantly, 5-edo is the smallest edo containing xenharmonic intervals! (1edo 2edo 3edo 4edo are all subsets of 12edo.)
Theory
| prime 2 | prime 3 | prime 5 | prime 7 | prime 11 | prime 13 | prime 17 | prime 19 | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| error | absolute (¢) | 0.0 | +18.0 | +93.7 | -8.8 | -71.3 | +119.5 | -105.0 | -57.5 |
| relative (%) | 0 | +8 | +39 | -4 | -30 | +50 | -44 | -24 | |
| nearest edomapping | 5 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 1 | |
| fifthspan | 0 | +1 | -1 | -2 | -1 | -2 | 0 | +2 | |
If 5-edo is regarded as a temperament, which is to say as 5-et, then the most salient fact is that 16/15 is tempered out. This means in 5-et the major third and the fourth, and the minor sixth and the fifth, are not distinguished; this is 5-limit father temperament.
Also tempered out is 27/25, if we temper this out in preference to 16/15 we obtain bug temperament, which equates 10/9 with 6/5: it is a little more perverse even than father. Because these intervals are so large, this sort of analysis is less significant with 5 than it becomes with larger and more accurate divisions, but it still plays a role. For example, I-IV-V-I is the same as I-III-V-I and involves triads with common intervals because of fourth-thirds equivalence.
Despite its lack of accuracy, 5EDO is the second zeta integral edo, after 2EDO. It also is the smallest equal division representing the 9-limit consistently, giving a distinct value modulo five to 2, 3, 5, 7 and 9. Hence in a way similar to how 4edo can be used, and which is discussed in that article, it can be used to represent 7-limit intervals in terms of their position in a pentad, by giving a triple of integers representing a pentad in the lattice of tetrads/pentads together with the number of scale steps in 5EDO. However, while 2edo represents the 3-limit consistently, 3edo the 5-limit, 4edo the 7-limit and 5edo the 9-limit, to represent the 11-limit consistently with a patent val requires going all the way to 22edo.
Intervals
| degrees | cents | Closest diatonic interval name |
The "neighborhood" of just intervals |
|---|---|---|---|
| 0 | 0 | unison / prime | 1/1 |
| 1 | 240 | second, third | +8.826¢ from septimal second 8/7 -4.969¢ from diminished third 144/125 -13.076¢ from augmented second 125/108 -26.871¢ from septimal minor third 7/6 |
| 2 | 480 | fourth | +9.219¢ from narrow fourth 21/16 -0.686¢ from smaller fourth 33/25 -18.045¢ from just fourth 4/3 |
| 3 | 720 | fifth | +18.045¢ from just fifth 3/2 +0.686¢ from bigger fifth 50/33 -9.219¢ from wide fifth 32/21 |
| 4 | 960 | sixth, seventh | 26.871¢ from septimal major sixth 12/7 13.076¢ from diminished seventh 216/125 4.969¢ from augmented sixth 125/72 -8.826¢ from septimal seventh 7/4 |
| 5 | 1200 | octave | 2/1 |
Notation
- via Reinhard's cents notation
- naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C
- a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff.
Kite Giedraitis has proposed a pentatonic notation that retains the appearance of heptatonic names, to avoid the confusion caused by one's lifelong association of "fourth" with 4/3, not 3/2. The interval names are unisoid, subthird, fourthoid, fifthoid, subseventh and octoid, or 1d s3 4d 5d s7 8d. When notating larger edos such as 8 or 13, there are major or minor sub3rds and sub7ths. Note that 15/8 is an octoid.
Observations
Related scales
- By its cardinality, 5-edo is related to other pentatonic scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian slendros.
- Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many nonoctave "stretch sisters" to 5-edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.
- For the same reason there are many "circle sisters":
- Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5=7.985099.
Cycles, Divisions
5 is a prime number so 5-edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles:
- Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0
- Cycle of fourths: 0-2-4-1-3-0
- Cycle of fifths: 0-3-1-4-2-0
- Cycle of sevenths: 0-4-3-2-1-0
Harmony
5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable.
In contrast to other EDOs, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in 10edo).
Important chords:
- 0+1+3
- 0+2+3
- 0+1+3+4
- 0+2+3+4
Melody
Smallest EDO that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character.
Chord or scale?
Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic.
Commas
5-EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val ⟨5 8 12 14 17 19].)
| Ratio | Monzo | cents | Color name | Name(s) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 256/243 | [8 -5⟩ | 90.225 | Sawa | Limma, Pythagorean Minor 2nd |
| 27/25 | [0 3 -2⟩ | 133.238 | Gugu | Large diatonic semit. |
| 16/15 | [4 -1 -1⟩ | 111.731 | Gubi | Diatonic semitone |
| 81/80 | [-4 4 -1⟩ | 21.506 | Gu | Syntonic Comma, Didymos Comma, Meantone Comma |
| 2889416/2882415 | [24 -21 4⟩ | 4.200 | Sasa-quadyo | Vulture |
| 36/35 | [2 2 -1 -1⟩ | 48.770 | Rugu | Septimal Quarter Tone |
| 49/48 | [-4 -1 0 2⟩ | 35.697 | Zozo | Slendro Diesis |
| 64/63 | [6 -2 0 -1⟩ | 27.264 | Ru | Septimal Comma, Archytas' Comma, Leipziger Komma |
| 245/243 | [0 -5 1 2⟩ | 14.191 | Zozoyo | Sensamagic |
| 1728/1715 | [6 3 -1 -3⟩ | 13.074 | Triru-agu | Orwellisma, Orwell Comma |
| 1029/1024 | [-10 1 0 3⟩ | 8.433 | Latrizo | Gamelisma |
| 19683/19600 | [-4 9 -2 -2⟩ | 7.316 | Labiruru | Cataharry |
| 5120/5103 | [10 -6 1 -1⟩ | 5.758 | Saruyo | Hemifamity |
| 1065875/1063543 | [-26 -1 1 9⟩ | 3.792 | Latritrizo-ayo | Wadisma |
| 420175/419904 | [-6 -8 2 5⟩ | 1.117 | Quinzo-ayoyo | Wizma |
| 11/10 | [-1 0 -1 0 1⟩ | 165.004 | Logu | Large neutral second |
| 99/98 | [-1 2 0 -2 1⟩ | 17.576 | Loruru | Mothwellsma |
| 896/891 | [7 -4 0 1 -1⟩ | 9.688 | Saluzo | Pentacircle |
| 385/384 | [-7 -1 1 1 1⟩ | 4.503 | Lozoyo | Keenanisma |
| 441/440 | [-3 2 -1 2 -1⟩ | 3.930 | Luzozogu | Werckisma |
| 3025/3024 | [-4 -3 2 -1 2⟩ | 0.572 | Loloruyoyo | Lehmerisma |
| 14/13 | [1 0 0 1 0 -1⟩ | 128.298 | Thuzo | |
| 91/90 | [-1 -2 -1 1 0 1⟩ | 19.130 | Thozogu | Superleap |
| 676/675 | [2 -3 -2 0 0 2⟩ | 2.563 | Bithogu | Parizeksma |
Ear Training
5edo ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available here:
For any musician, there is no substitute for the experience of a particular xenharmonic sound. The user going by the name Hyacinth on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons has many xenharmonic MIDI's and has graciously copylefted them! This is his 5-edo scale MIDI:
Music
- Herman Miller: Daybreak on Slendro Mountain (2000)
- Aaron Krister Johnson: 5tet funk (2004)
- Andrew Heathwaite: //Pinta Penta// (2004) play (rendered in 6 alternative pentatonics as well)
- Hans Straub: Asîmchômsaia play
- Brian Wong: Slendronica#1b play
- Brian McLaren: various and sundry
- Paul Rubenstein: various, with electric guitars in 10- and 15-edo
- X.J.Scott: Sleeping Through It All (2004)
- Bill Sethares: 5-tet funk (2004), Pentacle (2004)
- "Cenobyte" Ukulele http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKUCRnEJKKU
- "True Island" (album) by Small Scale Revolution (2011)
- Ralph Jarzombek: Micro12
- Prelude In 5ET by Aaron Andrew Hunt
- Invention In 5ET by Aaron Andrew Hunt
- Hey, ule! by Dmitriy Bazhenov (first and third parts in 5-edo)
There is much 5-edo (or nearly so) world music, just search for "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro".