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| Prime factorization = 5 (prime)
| Prime factorization = 5 (prime)
| Step size = 240¢
| Step size = 240¢
| Fifth type = 3\5 = 720¢
| Fifth = 3\5 = 720¢
| Major 2nd = 1\5 = 240¢
| Major 2nd = 1\5 = 240¢
| Minor 2nd = 0\5 = 0¢
| Minor 2nd = 0\5 = 0¢
| Augmented 1sn = 1\5 = 240¢
| Augmented 1sn = 1\5 = 240¢
}}
}}
'''5-edo''' divides the 1200-[[cent]] octave into 5 equal parts, making its smallest interval exactly 240 [[cent|cents]], or the fifth root of two. 5-edo is the 3rd [[prime numbers|prime]] edo, after [[2edo]] and [[3edo]]. Most importantly, 5-edo is the smallest [[EDO|edo]] containing xenharmonic intervals! (1edo 2edo 3edo 4edo are all subsets of 12edo.)
'''5-edo''' divides the octave into 5 equal parts, making its smallest interval exactly 240 [[cent]]s, or the fifth root of two. 5-edo is the 3rd [[prime numbers|prime]] edo, after [[2edo]] and [[3edo]]. Most importantly, 5-edo is the smallest [[edo]] containing xenharmonic intervals! (1edo 2edo 3edo 4edo are all subsets of 12edo.)


== Theory ==
== Theory ==
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable center-all"
! colspan="2" |
! colspan="2" | <!-- empty cell -->
!prime 2
! prime 2
!prime 3
! prime 3
!prime 5
! prime 5
!prime 7
! prime 7
!prime 11
! prime 11
!prime 13
! prime 13
!prime 17
! prime 17
!prime 19
! prime 19
|-
|-
! rowspan="2" |error
! rowspan="2" | error
!absolute (¢)
! absolute (¢)
|0
| 0.0
|18.04
| +18.0
|93.7
| +93.7
| -8.8
| -8.8
| -71.3
| -71.3
|119.5
| +119.5
| -105.0
| -105.0
| -57.5
| -57.5
|-
|-
![[Relative error|relative]] (%)
! [[Relative error|relative]] (%)
|0
| 0
|8
| +8
|39
| +39
| -4
| -4
| -30
| -30
|50
| +50
| -44
| -44
| -24
| -24
|-
|-
! colspan="2" |[[nearest edomapping]]
! colspan="2" | [[nearest edomapping]]
|5
| 5
|3
| 3
|2
| 2
|4
| 4
|2
| 2
|4
| 4
|0
| 0
|1
| 1
|-
|-
! colspan="2" |[[fifthspan]]
! colspan="2" | [[fifthspan]]
|0
|0
| +1
| +1
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| -1
| -1
| -2
| -2
|0
| 0
| +2
| +2
|}
|}
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* naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C
* naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C
* a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff.
* a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff.
[[KiteGiedraitis|Kite Giedraitis]] has proposed a pentatonic notation that retains the appearance of heptatonic names, to avoid the confusion caused by one's lifelong association of "fourth" with 4/3, not 3/2. The interval names are unisoid, subthird, fourthoid, fifthoid, subseventh and octoid, or 1d s3 4d 5d s7 8d. When notating larger edos such as 8 or 13, there are major or minor sub3rds and sub7ths. Note that 15/8 is an octoid.
[[Kite Giedraitis]] has proposed a pentatonic notation that retains the appearance of heptatonic names, to avoid the confusion caused by one's lifelong association of "fourth" with 4/3, not 3/2. The interval names are unisoid, subthird, fourthoid, fifthoid, subseventh and octoid, or 1d s3 4d 5d s7 8d. When notating larger edos such as 8 or 13, there are major or minor sub3rds and sub7ths. Note that 15/8 is an octoid.


== Observations ==
== Observations ==
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=== Related scales ===
=== Related scales ===


* By its cardinality, 5-edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro|slendros]].
* By its cardinality, 5-edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro]]s.
* Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave|nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5-edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.
* Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5-edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.
* For the same reason there are many "circle sisters":
* For the same reason there are many "circle sisters":
** Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5=7.985099.
** Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5=7.985099.
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5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable.
5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable.


In contrast to other EDOs, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in [[10edo|10-EDO]]).
In contrast to other EDOs, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in [[10edo]]).


Important chords:
Important chords:
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== Commas ==
== Commas ==


5-EDO tempers out the following [[commas]]. (Note: This assumes the val &lt; 5 8 12 14 17 19 |.)
5-EDO tempers out the following [[commas]]. (Note: This assumes the val {{val| 5 8 12 14 17 19 }}.)


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
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! [[Monzo]]
! [[Monzo]]
! [[cent]]s
! [[cent]]s
! [[Color notation/Temperament Names|Color Name]]
! [[Color name]]
! Name
! Name(s)
! Second Name
! Third Name
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 256/243
| style="text-align:center;" | 256/243
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| style="text-align:right;" | 90.225
| style="text-align:right;" | 90.225
| Sawa
| Sawa
| Limma
| Limma, Pythagorean Minor 2nd
| Pythagorean Minor 2nd
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 27/25
| style="text-align:center;" | 27/25
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| Gugu
| Gugu
| Large diatonic semit.
| Large diatonic semit.
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 16/15
| style="text-align:center;" | 16/15
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| Gubi
| Gubi
| Diatonic semitone
| Diatonic semitone
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 81/80
| style="text-align:center;" | 81/80
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| style="text-align:right;" | 21.506
| style="text-align:right;" | 21.506
| Gu
| Gu
| Syntonic Comma
| Syntonic Comma, Didymos Comma, Meantone Comma
| Didymos Comma
| Meantone Comma
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 2889416/2882415
| style="text-align:center;" | 2889416/2882415
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| Sasa-quadyo
| Sasa-quadyo
| Vulture
| Vulture
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 36/35
| style="text-align:center;" | 36/35
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| Rugu
| Rugu
| Septimal Quarter Tone
| Septimal Quarter Tone
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 49/48
| style="text-align:center;" | 49/48
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| Zozo
| Zozo
| Slendro Diesis
| Slendro Diesis
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 64/63
| style="text-align:center;" | 64/63
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| style="text-align:right;" | 27.264
| style="text-align:right;" | 27.264
| Ru
| Ru
| Septimal Comma
| Septimal Comma, Archytas' Comma, Leipziger Komma
| Archytas' Comma
| Leipziger Komma
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 245/243
| style="text-align:center;" | 245/243
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| Zozoyo
| Zozoyo
| Sensamagic
| Sensamagic
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 1728/1715
| style="text-align:center;" | 1728/1715
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| style="text-align:right;" | 13.074
| style="text-align:right;" | 13.074
| Triru-agu
| Triru-agu
| Orwellisma
| Orwellisma, Orwell Comma
| Orwell Comma
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 1029/1024
| style="text-align:center;" | 1029/1024
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| Latrizo
| Latrizo
| Gamelisma
| Gamelisma
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 19683/19600
| style="text-align:center;" | 19683/19600
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| Labiruru
| Labiruru
| Cataharry
| Cataharry
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 5120/5103
| style="text-align:center;" | 5120/5103
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| Saruyo
| Saruyo
| Hemifamity
| Hemifamity
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 1065875/1063543
| style="text-align:center;" | 1065875/1063543
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| Latritrizo-ayo
| Latritrizo-ayo
| Wadisma
| Wadisma
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 420175/419904
| style="text-align:center;" | 420175/419904
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| Quinzo-ayoyo
| Quinzo-ayoyo
| Wizma
| Wizma
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 11/10
| style="text-align:center;" | 11/10
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| Logu
| Logu
| Large neutral second
| Large neutral second
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 99/98
| style="text-align:center;" | 99/98
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| Loruru
| Loruru
| Mothwellsma
| Mothwellsma
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 896/891
| style="text-align:center;" | 896/891
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| Saluzo
| Saluzo
| Pentacircle
| Pentacircle
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 385/384
| style="text-align:center;" | 385/384
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| Lozoyo
| Lozoyo
| Keenanisma
| Keenanisma
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 441/440
| style="text-align:center;" | 441/440
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| Luzozogu
| Luzozogu
| Werckisma
| Werckisma
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 3025/3024
| style="text-align:center;" | 3025/3024
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| Loloruyoyo
| Loloruyoyo
| Lehmerisma
| Lehmerisma
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 14/13
| style="text-align:center;" | 14/13
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| style="text-align:right;" | 128.298
| style="text-align:right;" | 128.298
| Thuzo
| Thuzo
|
|
|  
|  
|-
|-
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| Thozogu
| Thozogu
| Superleap
| Superleap
|
|
|-
|-
| style="text-align:center;" | 676/675
| style="text-align:center;" | 676/675
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| Bithogu
| Bithogu
| Parizeksma
| Parizeksma
|
|
|}
|}



Revision as of 14:59, 18 December 2020

← 4edo 5edo 6edo →
Prime factorization 5 (prime)
Step size 240 ¢ 
Fifth 3\5 (720 ¢)
(convergent)
Semitones (A1:m2) 1:0 (240 ¢ : 0 ¢)
Consistency limit 9
Distinct consistency limit 3

5-edo divides the octave into 5 equal parts, making its smallest interval exactly 240 cents, or the fifth root of two. 5-edo is the 3rd prime edo, after 2edo and 3edo. Most importantly, 5-edo is the smallest edo containing xenharmonic intervals! (1edo 2edo 3edo 4edo are all subsets of 12edo.)

Theory

prime 2 prime 3 prime 5 prime 7 prime 11 prime 13 prime 17 prime 19
error absolute (¢) 0.0 +18.0 +93.7 -8.8 -71.3 +119.5 -105.0 -57.5
relative (%) 0 +8 +39 -4 -30 +50 -44 -24
nearest edomapping 5 3 2 4 2 4 0 1
fifthspan 0 +1 -1 -2 -1 -2 0 +2

If 5-edo is regarded as a temperament, which is to say as 5-et, then the most salient fact is that 16/15 is tempered out. This means in 5-et the major third and the fourth, and the minor sixth and the fifth, are not distinguished; this is 5-limit father temperament.

Also tempered out is 27/25, if we temper this out in preference to 16/15 we obtain bug temperament, which equates 10/9 with 6/5: it is a little more perverse even than father. Because these intervals are so large, this sort of analysis is less significant with 5 than it becomes with larger and more accurate divisions, but it still plays a role. For example, I-IV-V-I is the same as I-III-V-I and involves triads with common intervals because of fourth-thirds equivalence.

Despite its lack of accuracy, 5EDO is the second zeta integral edo, after 2EDO. It also is the smallest equal division representing the 9-limit consistently, giving a distinct value modulo five to 2, 3, 5, 7 and 9. Hence in a way similar to how 4edo can be used, and which is discussed in that article, it can be used to represent 7-limit intervals in terms of their position in a pentad, by giving a triple of integers representing a pentad in the lattice of tetrads/pentads together with the number of scale steps in 5EDO. However, while 2edo represents the 3-limit consistently, 3edo the 5-limit, 4edo the 7-limit and 5edo the 9-limit, to represent the 11-limit consistently with a patent val requires going all the way to 22edo.

Intervals

degrees cents Closest diatonic
interval name
The "neighborhood" of just intervals
0 0 unison / prime 1/1
1 240 second, third +8.826¢ from septimal second 8/7
-4.969¢ from diminished third 144/125
-13.076¢ from augmented second 125/108
-26.871¢ from septimal minor third 7/6
2 480 fourth +9.219¢ from narrow fourth 21/16
-0.686¢ from smaller fourth 33/25
-18.045¢ from just fourth 4/3
3 720 fifth +18.045¢ from just fifth 3/2
+0.686¢ from bigger fifth 50/33
-9.219¢ from wide fifth 32/21
4 960 sixth, seventh 26.871¢ from septimal major sixth 12/7
13.076¢ from diminished seventh 216/125
4.969¢ from augmented sixth 125/72
-8.826¢ from septimal seventh 7/4
5 1200 octave 2/1

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Notation

  • via Reinhard's cents notation
  • naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C
  • a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff.

Kite Giedraitis has proposed a pentatonic notation that retains the appearance of heptatonic names, to avoid the confusion caused by one's lifelong association of "fourth" with 4/3, not 3/2. The interval names are unisoid, subthird, fourthoid, fifthoid, subseventh and octoid, or 1d s3 4d 5d s7 8d. When notating larger edos such as 8 or 13, there are major or minor sub3rds and sub7ths. Note that 15/8 is an octoid.

Observations

Related scales

  • By its cardinality, 5-edo is related to other pentatonic scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian slendros.
  • Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many nonoctave "stretch sisters" to 5-edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc.
  • For the same reason there are many "circle sisters":
    • Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5=7.985099.

Cycles, Divisions

5 is a prime number so 5-edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles:

  • Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0
  • Cycle of fourths: 0-2-4-1-3-0
  • Cycle of fifths: 0-3-1-4-2-0
  • Cycle of sevenths: 0-4-3-2-1-0

Harmony

5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable.

In contrast to other EDOs, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in 10edo).

Important chords:

  • 0+1+3
  • 0+2+3
  • 0+1+3+4
  • 0+2+3+4

Melody

Smallest EDO that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character.

Chord or scale?

Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic.

Commas

5-EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val 5 8 12 14 17 19].)

Ratio Monzo cents Color name Name(s)
256/243 [8 -5 90.225 Sawa Limma, Pythagorean Minor 2nd
27/25 [0 3 -2 133.238 Gugu Large diatonic semit.
16/15 [4 -1 -1 111.731 Gubi Diatonic semitone
81/80 [-4 4 -1 21.506 Gu Syntonic Comma, Didymos Comma, Meantone Comma
2889416/2882415 [24 -21 4 4.200 Sasa-quadyo Vulture
36/35 [2 2 -1 -1 48.770 Rugu Septimal Quarter Tone
49/48 [-4 -1 0 2 35.697 Zozo Slendro Diesis
64/63 [6 -2 0 -1 27.264 Ru Septimal Comma, Archytas' Comma, Leipziger Komma
245/243 [0 -5 1 2 14.191 Zozoyo Sensamagic
1728/1715 [6 3 -1 -3 13.074 Triru-agu Orwellisma, Orwell Comma
1029/1024 [-10 1 0 3 8.433 Latrizo Gamelisma
19683/19600 [-4 9 -2 -2 7.316 Labiruru Cataharry
5120/5103 [10 -6 1 -1 5.758 Saruyo Hemifamity
1065875/1063543 [-26 -1 1 9 3.792 Latritrizo-ayo Wadisma
420175/419904 [-6 -8 2 5 1.117 Quinzo-ayoyo Wizma
11/10 [-1 0 -1 0 1 165.004 Logu Large neutral second
99/98 [-1 2 0 -2 1 17.576 Loruru Mothwellsma
896/891 [7 -4 0 1 -1 9.688 Saluzo Pentacircle
385/384 [-7 -1 1 1 1 4.503 Lozoyo Keenanisma
441/440 [-3 2 -1 2 -1 3.930 Luzozogu Werckisma
3025/3024 [-4 -3 2 -1 2 0.572 Loloruyoyo Lehmerisma
14/13 [1 0 0 1 0 -1 128.298 Thuzo
91/90 [-1 -2 -1 1 0 1 19.130 Thozogu Superleap
676/675 [2 -3 -2 0 0 2 2.563 Bithogu Parizeksma

Ear Training

5edo ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available here:

For any musician, there is no substitute for the experience of a particular xenharmonic sound. The user going by the name Hyacinth on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons has many xenharmonic MIDI's and has graciously copylefted them! This is his 5-edo scale MIDI:

Music

There is much 5-edo (or nearly so) world music, just search for "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro".