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Garibaldi was named in honor of [[Eduardo Sábat-Garibaldi]], who developed the [[dinarra]], a 53-tone [[microtonal guitar]] in the 1/9-schisma tuning. | Garibaldi was named in honor of [[Eduardo Sábat-Garibaldi]], who developed the [[dinarra]], a 53-tone [[microtonal guitar]] in the 1/9-schisma tuning. | ||
Alternatively to garibaldi, there is another, extremely complex extension to schismic called '' | Alternatively to garibaldi, there is another, extremely complex extension to schismic called ''pontiac'', which finds 7/4 at +39 fifths, and is supported alongside garibaldi by [[53edo]]. | ||
See [[Schismatic family #Garibaldi]] and [[Schismatic family #Schismic]] for technical data. | See [[Schismatic family #Garibaldi]] and [[Schismatic family #Schismic]] for technical data. | ||
Revision as of 08:03, 19 June 2025
Schismic (or helmholtz) is a 5-limit temperament which takes a roughly justly tuned 4/3 and stacks it eight times to reach 5/4, thus finding the 5th harmonic at the diminished fourth (e.g. C–F♭). This can be respelled as a major third flattened by one Pythagorean comma, and thus, the Pythagorean and syntonic commas are equated into a generalized "comma", and the octave can be split into two diatonic major thirds and one downmajor third representing 5/4. It is one of the most basic examples of a microtemperament, as the 4/3 generator can be detuned by a fraction of a cent from just, or left untouched entirely (as the difference between 8192/6561 and 5/4, the schisma being tempered out, is approximately 2 cents, which is unnoticeable to most people). Technically, the best tuning in the 5-limit is to flatten the fifth by a fraction of a cent, though tunings on both sides of the just interval work fine.
To reach intervals of 7, a reasonable choice is to further equate the Pythagorean-syntonic comma with the archytas comma of 64/63 (as in hemifamity), reaching the primary 7-limit extension called garibaldi. Like with hemifamity, the best tunings involve sharpening the fifth, but in this case only slightly, as the size of the comma is determined by the fifth itself. Thus, tuning the fifth a fraction of a cent sharp gives the best tunings. The new mapping specific to garibaldi is that 7/4 is mapped to the double-diminished octave (e.g. C–C𝄫; a comma-flat Pythagorean minor seventh). This makes garibaldi a marvel temperament and a hemifamity temperament. 41edo and 53edo make for good tunings.
It is useful to introduce a second kind of accidental to notate garibaldi, representing the comma interval, so that 5/4 does not have to be spelled as a fourth (and 7/4 does not have to be spelled as an octave).
Immediate 11-limit extensions to garibaldi include cassandra (41 & 53), mapping 11/8 to +23 fifths, andromeda (29 & 41), mapping 11/8 to −18 fifths, and helenus (53 & 65d), mapping 11/8 to −30 fifths. Garibaldi is most naturally a 2.3.5.7.19-subgroup temperament due to its immediate availability of 19/16 at the minor third (C–E♭). This is sometimes known as garibaldi nestoria.
Garibaldi was named in honor of Eduardo Sábat-Garibaldi, who developed the dinarra, a 53-tone microtonal guitar in the 1/9-schisma tuning.
Alternatively to garibaldi, there is another, extremely complex extension to schismic called pontiac, which finds 7/4 at +39 fifths, and is supported alongside garibaldi by 53edo.
See Schismatic family #Garibaldi and Schismatic family #Schismic for technical data.
Interval chain
In the following table, odd harmonics 1–21 and their inverses are in bold.
| # | Cents* | Approximate ratios | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Schismic (2.3.5 subgroup) | Garibaldi (2.3.5.7.19 subgroup) | 13-limit extension | ||||
| Cassandra | Andromeda | Helenus | ||||
| 0 | 0.00 | 1/1 | ||||
| 1 | 702.10 | 3/2 | ||||
| 2 | 204.20 | 9/8 | ||||
| 3 | 906.30 | 27/16 | 32/19, 42/25 | 22/13 | 22/13 | 22/13 |
| 4 | 408.40 | 81/64 | 19/15, 24/19 | 14/11 | ||
| 5 | 1110.50 | 243/128, 256/135 | 19/10, 36/19, 40/21 | 21/11 | ||
| 6 | 612.60 | 64/45 | 10/7 | |||
| 7 | 114.70 | 16/15 | 15/14 | 14/13 | ||
| 8 | 816.80 | 8/5 | 21/13 | |||
| 9 | 318.90 | 6/5 | 40/33 | |||
| 10 | 1021.00 | 9/5 | 38/21 | 20/11 | ||
| 11 | 523.09 | 27/20 | 19/14 | 15/11 | ||
| 12 | 25.19 | 81/80 | 50/49, 57/56, 64/63 | 40/39, 45/44 | ||
| 13 | 727.29 | 32/21 | 20/13 | |||
| 14 | 229.39 | 8/7 | 15/13 | |||
| 15 | 931.49 | 12/7 | 19/11 | |||
| 16 | 433.59 | 9/7 | 14/11 | |||
| 17 | 1135.69 | 48/25 | 27/14 | 52/27 | 64/33 | 21/11 |
| 18 | 637.79 | 36/25 | 81/56 | 13/9 | 16/11, 19/13 | |
| 19 | 139.89 | 27/25 | 13/12 | 12/11 | 14/13 | |
| 20 | 841.99 | 57/35, 80/49 | 13/8, 44/27 | 18/11, 64/39 | 21/13 | |
| 21 | 344.09 | 60/49 | 11/9, 39/32 | 16/13, 27/22 | 40/33 | |
| 22 | 1046.19 | 64/35 | 11/6 | 24/13 | 20/11 | |
| 23 | 548.29 | 48/35 | 11/8, 26/19 | 18/13 | 15/11 | |
| 24 | 50.39 | 36/35 | 33/32 | 27/26 | 40/39, 45/44 | |
| 25 | 752.49 | 54/35 | 20/13 | |||
| 26 | 254.59 | 144/125 | 57/49, 81/70 | 22/19 | 15/13 | |
| 27 | 956.69 | 216/125 | 171/98, 256/147 | 26/15 | 19/11 | |
| 28 | 458.79 | 64/49 | 13/10 | |||
| 29 | 1160.89 | 96/49 | 39/20, 88/45 | 64/33 | ||
| 30 | 662.99 | 72/49 | 22/15 | 16/11, 19/13 | ||
| 31 | 165.08 | 54/49 | 11/10 | 12/11 | ||
| 32 | 867.18 | 81/49 | 33/20 | 18/11, 64/39 | ||
| 33 | 369.28 | 216/175 | 26/21 | 16/13, 27/22 | ||
| 34 | 1071.38 | 324/175 | 13/7 | 24/13 | ||
| 35 | 573.48 | 243/175 | 18/13 | |||
| 36 | 75.58 | 256/245 | 22/21 | 27/26 | ||
| 37 | 777.68 | 384/245 | 11/7 | |||
| 38 | 279.78 | 288/245 | ||||
| 39 | 981.88 | 432/245 | ||||
| 40 | 483.98 | 324/245 | ||||
| 41 | 1186.08 | 486/245 | ||||
* In 2.3.5.7.19-subgroup CWE tuning
As a detemperament of 12et


Schismic (and thus garibaldi) is very naturally considered as a detemperament of the 12 equal temperament. The table below shows a 53-tone detempered scale, with a generator range of -26 to +26. Each interval category of the 12 equal temperament is further divided into "double-sub", "sub", "plain", "super" and "double-super" qualities, separated by an enharmonic diesis, which represents the syntonic~septimal comma; the "plain" type here consists of a 5L 7s scale in 6|5 mode. Combining this division with the minor and major qualities of the 12 equal temperament, and calling the "double-sub major" and "double-super minor" qualities artoneutral and tendoneutral, respectively, garibaldi gives us at least eight qualities for each diatonic category: subminor, minor, supraminor, artoneutral, tendoneutral, submajor, major, and supermajor.
Notice also the little comma between artoneutral and tendoaneutral. This interval spans 41 generator steps. 41edo tempers it out so that it merges artoneutral and tendoneutral into one neutral interval whereas 53edo exaggerates it to the size of the syntonic~septimal comma. 94edo tunes it to one half the size of the syntonic~septimal comma, which can be seen as a good compromise.
| # | Interval category |
"Double-Sub" | "Sub" | "Plain" | "Super" | "Double-super" | ||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Gen. | Cents* | Ratios | Gen. | Cents* | Ratios | Gen. | Cents* | Ratios | Gen. | Cents* | Ratios | Gen. | Cents* | Ratios | ||
| 0 | P1 | 0 | 0.0 | 1/1 | 12 | 25.2 | 64/63~81/80 | 24 | 50.5 | 33/32~36/35 | ||||||
| 1 | m2 | −17 | 64.2 | 27/26~28/27 | −5 | 89.5 | 20/19~21/20 | 7 | 114.7 | 15/14~16/15 | 19 | 140.0 | 13/12 | |||
| 2 | M2 | −22 | 153.7 | 12/11 | −10 | 178.9 | 10/9 | 2 | 204.2 | 9/8 | 14 | 229.5 | 8/7 | 26 | 254.7 | 22/19 |
| 3 | m3 | −15 | 268.4 | 7/6 | −3 | 293.6 | 13/11~19/16 | 9 | 318.9 | 6/5 | 21 | 344.2 | 11/9 | |||
| 4 | M3 | −20 | 357.9 | 16/13 | −8 | 383.2 | 5/4 | 4 | 408.4 | 19/15~24/19 | 16 | 433.7 | 9/7 | |||
| 5 | P4 | −25 | 447.4 | 35/27 | −13 | 472.6 | 21/16 | −1 | 497.9 | 4/3 | 11 | 523.2 | 19/14 | 23 | 548.4 | 11/8 |
| 6 | A4, d5 | −18 | 562.1 | 18/13 | −6 | 587.4 | 7/5 | 6 | 612.6 | 10/7 | 18 | 637.9 | 13/9 | |||
| 7 | P5 | −23 | 651.6 | 16/11 | −11 | 676.8 | 28/19 | 1 | 702.1 | 3/2 | 13 | 727.4 | 32/21 | 25 | 752.6 | 54/35 |
| 8 | m6 | −16 | 766.3 | 14/9 | −4 | 791.6 | 19/12~30/19 | 8 | 816.8 | 8/5 | 20 | 842.1 | 13/8 | |||
| 9 | M6 | −21 | 855.8 | 18/11 | −9 | 881.1 | 5/3 | 3 | 906.3 | 22/13~27/16 | 15 | 931.6 | 12/7 | |||
| 10 | m7 | −26 | 945.3 | 19/11 | −14 | 970.5 | 7/4 | −2 | 995.8 | 16/9 | 10 | 1021.1 | 9/5 | 22 | 1046.3 | 11/6 |
| 11 | M7 | −19 | 1060.0 | 24/13 | −7 | 1085.3 | 15/8~28/15 | 5 | 1110.5 | 19/10~40/21 | 17 | 1135.8 | 27/14~52/27 | |||
| 12 | P8 | −24 | 1149.5 | 35/18~64/33 | −12 | 1174.7 | 63/32~65/33 | 0 | 1200.0 | 2/1 | ||||||
See the diagrams on the right for isomorphic versions.
Notation
Using schismic can be a challenge because it defies the tradition of tertian harmony in chain-of-fifths notation. The just major triad on C is C–Fb–G, for example. Due to the generalized comma of schismic, a natural choice is to adopt an additional module of accidentals such as arrows to represent the comma step, allowing them to write the chord above as C–vE–G.
| Ratio | Nominal | Example |
|---|---|---|
| 3/2 | Perfect fifth | C–G |
| 5/4 | Downmajor third | C–vE |
| 7/4 | Downminor seventh | C–vBb |
| 11/8 | Double-up fourth | C–^^F |
| 13/8 | Double-up minor sixth | C–^^Ab |
| 19/16 | Minor third | C–Eb |
| Ratio | Nominal | Example |
|---|---|---|
| 11/8 | Down-diminished fifth Double-down augmented fourth |
C–vGb C–vvF# |
| 13/8 | Double downmajor sixth | C–vvA |
| Ratio | Nominal | Example |
|---|---|---|
| 11/8 | Double-down diminished fifth Triple-down augmented fourth |
C–vvGb C–v3F# |
| 13/8 | Triple-down major sixth | C–v3A |
Chords and harmony
Traditional tertian harmony is effective. The default triads on the Pythagorean spine are undevicesimal in quality:
- 1–19/15–3/2 (C–E–G)
- 1–19/16–3/2 (C–Eb–G)
Note that the major third also represents 24/19, and the minor third, 13/11. These chords are typically associated with a sort of coldness and metalness, like those in 12edo if not more so.
If a warm, sweet, laid-back sound is desired, the thirds can be inflected inwards by a comma to yield
- 1–5/4–3/2 (C–vE–G)
- 1–6/5–3/2 (C–^Eb–G)
Contrarily, for a more sour and active sound, they can be inflected outwards by a comma to yield
- 1–9/7–3/2 (C–^E-G)
- 1–7/6–3/2 (C–vEb-G)
Scales
- Garibaldi5 – proper 2L 3s
- Garibaldi7 – improper 5L 2s
- Garibaldi12 – proper 5L 7s
- Garibaldi17 – improper 12L 5s
- Garibaldi24opt – optimized 24-note scale for 13-limit
Tunings
Tuning spectra
Garibaldi
| Edo generator |
Eigenmonzo (unchanged-interval)* |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7\12 | 700.0000 | Lower bound of 9-odd-limit, 2.3.5.7.19 subgroup 19- and 21-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 19/16 | 700.8290 | 1/3 undevicesimal schisma | |
| 19/12 | 701.1105 | 1/4 undevicesimal schisma | |
| 38\65 | 701.5385 | ||
| 15/8 | 701.676 | 1/7 schisma | |
| 5/4 | 701.711 | 1/8 schisma | |
| 25/24 | 701.7252 | 2/17 schisma | |
| 5/3 | 701.738 | 5-odd-limit minimax, 1/9 schisma | |
| 9/5 | 701.760 | 1/10 schisma | |
| 81/80 | 701.7922 | 1/12 schisma | |
| 31\53 | 701.8868 | ||
| 3/2 | 701.9550 | Pythagorean tuning | |
| 36/35 | 702.0321 | ||
| 9/7 | 702.193 | 9-odd-limit minimax, 1/16 septimal schisma | |
| 7/6 | 702.209 | 7-odd-limit minimax, 1/15 septimal schisma | |
| 49/48 | 702.2174 | 2/29 septimal schisma | |
| 7/4 | 702.227 | 1/14 septimal schisma | |
| 19/10 | 702.2399 | ||
| 21/16 | 702.2476 | 1/13 septimal schisma | |
| 64/63 | 702.2720 | 1/12 septimal schisma | |
| 19/15 | 702.3111 | ||
| 24\41 | 702.4390 | ||
| 19/14 | 702.6079 | ||
| 21/19 | 702.6732 | ||
| 15/14 | 702.778 | ||
| 7/5 | 702.915 | ||
| 21/20 | 703.1066 | ||
| 17\29 | 703.4483 | Upper bound of 9-odd-limit, 2.3.5.7.19 subgroup 19- and 21-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 13/11 | 703.597 |
Cassandra
| Edo generator |
Eigenmonzo (unchanged-interval)* |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7\12 | 700.0000 | Lower bound of 9-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 19/16 | 700.8290 | 1/3 undevicesimal schisma | |
| 19/12 | 701.1105 | 1/4 undevicesimal schisma | |
| 38\65 | 701.5385 | ||
| 15/8 | 701.676 | 1/7 schisma | |
| 5/4 | 701.711 | 1/8 schisma | |
| 25/24 | 701.7252 | 2/17 schisma | |
| [0 -10 17⟩ | 701.728 | 5-odd-limit least squares | |
| 5/3 | 701.738 | 5-odd-limit minimax, 1/9 schisma | |
| 9/5 | 701.760 | 1/10 schisma | |
| 81/80 | 701.7922 | 1/12 schisma | |
| 19/13 | 701.8702 | ||
| 31\53 | 701.8868 | Lower bound of 11-, 13-, 15-odd-limit, 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 subgroup 19- and 21-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 15/13 | 701.9355 | ||
| 13/10 | 701.9362 | ||
| 3/2 | 701.9550 | Pythagorean tuning | |
| 13/8 | 702.026 | ||
| 13/12 | 702.030 | ||
| 36/35 | 702.0321 | ||
| 13/9 | 702.034 | ||
| 19/11 | 702.0694 | ||
| 11/10 | 702.097 | ||
| 15/11 | 702.102 | ||
| 13/7 | 702.109 | 13- and 15-odd-limit minimax | |
| [0 -95 -137 -129 167 143⟩ | 702.112 | 15-odd-limit least squares | |
| 21/13 | 702.1135 | ||
| [0 -27 7 17⟩ | 702.114 | 9-odd-limit least squares | |
| [0 -38 -80 -122 137 116⟩ | 702.128 | 13-odd-limit least squares | |
| [0 -25 11 35⟩ | 702.140 | 7-odd-limit least squares | |
| [0 17 -52 -88 134⟩ | 702.183 | 11-odd-limit least squares | |
| 9/7 | 702.193 | 9- and 11-odd-limit minimax, 1/16 septimal schisma | |
| 7/6 | 702.209 | 7-odd-limit minimax, 1/15 septimal schisma | |
| 49/48 | 702.2174 | 2/29 septimal schisma | |
| 7/4 | 702.227 | 1/14 septimal schisma | |
| 11/7 | 702.230 | ||
| 11/8 | 702.231 | ||
| 21/11 | 702.2371 | ||
| 19/10 | 702.2399 | ||
| 11/6 | 702.244 | ||
| 21/16 | 702.2476 | 1/13 septimal schisma | |
| 11/9 | 702.258 | ||
| 64/63 | 702.2720 | 1/12 septimal schisma | |
| 19/15 | 702.3111 | ||
| 24\41 | 702.4390 | Upper bound of 11-, 13-, 15-odd-limit, 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 subgroup 19- and 21-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 19/14 | 702.6079 | ||
| 21/19 | 702.6732 | ||
| 15/14 | 702.778 | ||
| 7/5 | 702.915 | ||
| 21/20 | 703.1066 | ||
| 17\29 | 703.4483 | Upper bound of 9-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 13/11 | 703.597 |
Andromeda
| Edo generator |
Eigenmonzo (unchanged-interval)* |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7\12 | 700.0000 | Lower bound of 9- and 11-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 19/16 | 700.8290 | 1/3 undevicesimal schisma | |
| 19/12 | 701.1105 | 1/4 undevicesimal schisma | |
| 38\65 | 701.5385 | ||
| 15/8 | 701.676 | 1/7 schisma | |
| 5/4 | 701.711 | 1/8 schisma | |
| 25/24 | 701.7252 | 2/17 schisma | |
| 5/3 | 701.738 | 5-odd-limit minimax, 1/9 schisma | |
| 9/5 | 701.760 | 1/10 schisma | |
| 81/80 | 701.7922 | 1/12 schisma | |
| 31\53 | 701.8868 | ||
| 3/2 | 701.9550 | Pythagorean tuning | |
| 36/35 | 702.0321 | ||
| 9/7 | 702.193 | 9-odd-limit minimax, 1/16 septimal schisma | |
| 7/6 | 702.209 | 7-odd-limit minimax, 1/15 septimal schisma | |
| 49/48 | 702.2174 | 2/29 septimal schisma | |
| 7/4 | 702.227 | 1/14 septimal schisma | |
| 21/16 | 702.2476 | 1/13 septimal schisma | |
| 64/63 | 702.2720 | 1/12 septimal schisma | |
| 19/15 | 702.3111 | ||
| 24\41 | 702.4390 | Lower bound of 13-, 15-odd-limit, 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 subgroup 19- and 21-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 19/14 | 702.6079 | ||
| 11/9 | 702.630 | 11-odd-limit minimax | |
| 11/6 | 702.665 | ||
| 21/19 | 702.6732 | ||
| 11/8 | 702.705 | ||
| 13/9 | 702.756 | 13- and 15-odd-limit minimax | |
| 15/14 | 702.778 | ||
| 13/12 | 702.792 | ||
| 13/8 | 702.832 | ||
| 7/5 | 702.915 | ||
| 19/11 | 703.0797 | ||
| 21/20 | 703.1066 | ||
| 19/13 | 703.1659 | ||
| 15/11 | 703.359 | ||
| 15/13 | 703.410 | ||
| 17\29 | 703.4483 | Upper bound of 9-, 11-, 13-, 15-odd-limit, 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 subgroup 19- and 21-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 11/10 | 703.500 | ||
| 13/10 | 703.522 | ||
| 13/11 | 703.597 | ||
| 21/13 | 701.7817 | ||
| 19/10 | 702.2399 | ||
| 21/11 | 703.8926 | ||
| 13/7 | 704.043 | ||
| 11/7 | 704.377 |
Helenus
| Edo generator |
Eigenmonzo (unchanged-interval)* |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| 7\12 | 700.0000 | Lower bound of 9- and 11-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 19/16 | 700.8290 | 1/3 undevicesimal schisma | |
| 11/7 | 701.094 | ||
| 19/12 | 701.1105 | 1/4 undevicesimal schisma | |
| 21/11 | 701.1149 | ||
| 13/7 | 701.489 | ||
| 21/13 | 701.5127 | ||
| 38\65 | 701.5385 | Lower bound of 13-, 15-odd-limit, 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 subgroup 19- and 21-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 11/10 | 701.591 | ||
| 15/11 | 701.607 | ||
| 11/8 | 701.623 | ||
| 11/6 | 701.633 | ||
| 11/9 | 701.644 | 11-, 13-, and 15-odd-limit minimax | |
| 15/8 | 701.676 | 1/7 schisma | |
| 19/11 | 701.7109 | ||
| 5/4 | 701.711 | 1/8 schisma | |
| 25/24 | 701.7252 | 2/17 schisma | |
| 5/3 | 701.738 | 5-odd-limit minimax, 1/9 schisma | |
| 9/5 | 701.760 | 1/10 schisma | |
| 81/80 | 701.7922 | 1/12 schisma | |
| 13/8 | 701.802 | ||
| 13/12 | 701.807 | ||
| 13/9 | 701.811 | ||
| 13/10 | 701.831 | ||
| 15/13 | 701.836 | ||
| 31\53 | 701.8868 | Upper bound of 11-, 13-, 15-odd-limit, 2.3.5.7.11.13.19 subgroup 19- and 21-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 19/13 | 701.8995 | ||
| 3/2 | 701.9550 | Pythagorean tuning | |
| 36/35 | 702.0321 | ||
| 9/7 | 702.193 | 9-odd-limit minimax, 1/16 septimal schisma | |
| 7/6 | 702.209 | 7-odd-limit minimax, 1/15 septimal schisma | |
| 49/48 | 702.2174 | 2/29 septimal schisma | |
| 7/4 | 702.227 | 1/14 septimal schisma | |
| 19/10 | 702.2399 | ||
| 21/16 | 702.2476 | 1/13 septimal schisma | |
| 64/63 | 702.2720 | 1/12 septimal schisma | |
| 19/15 | 702.3111 | ||
| 24\41 | 702.4390 | ||
| 19/14 | 702.6079 | ||
| 21/19 | 702.6732 | ||
| 15/14 | 702.778 | ||
| 7/5 | 702.915 | ||
| 21/20 | 703.1066 | ||
| 17\29 | 703.4483 | Upper bound of 9-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 13/11 | 703.597 |
* Besides the octave