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== Comma table ==

Has anyone an idea if such tables make sense at all? Also a hint about sensible criteria what to take in what to leave out would be helpful. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:56, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

: I do in fact think that comma tables make sense, but I'd recommend choosing individual commas based on their size, their significance, and their p-limit. For example, commas with p-limits above 31 should not be included at all- the numbers that result from such primes get too complicated too easily. At the same time, commas that are of significant size relative to the EDO's Step size should also be included on the list. Commas like the Nexus comma should also be included on these lists due to their significance- it's not often that two pure prime chains get so close to one another that the difference between them is unnoticeable. I hope I'm being at least somewhat reasonable. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

:: I like the way you guys didn't write out ratios of many many digits. I would go further and only include ratios of 3 or 4 digits or less. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 00:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

::: Are you talking about the number of digits in total- as in throughout the whole ratio? Sorry, but most commas that are well known have ratios of at least three digits per single side of the ratio, so that would be unreasonable. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 01:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:::: Not the total number of digits, just the number of digits in the numerator. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 20:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

::::: In my opinion also a 8-digit (or <abbr title="9-digits would be better, in this case the numerator would start with 1 anyway">9-digit</abbr>) limit would look good in the comma table. See [[41edo#Commas]] for an example. The 10-digit limit was also in use for naming interval pages and redirect lemmas to them. Maybe also this could be changed? BTW: I think for finding a new consensus, we should move this discussion to a better place. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 20:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:::::: I like what you did with the 41edo table, --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 22:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

: I heard these tables are generated by scala, aren't they? [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 05:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:: Yes it seems so to me, I also darkly remember reading that somewhere. But I'd like to understand the criteria without looking at scale. Do you see chances to get there? BTW: I have scala installed, I tried to get this list but with no success so far. If anyone knows scala, please help! --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 09:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

::: You read that in [[50edo]]: ''This list is not all-inclusive, and is based on the interval table from Scala version 2.2. '' Seems the criteria is simply the presence in the interval table. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 13:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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+== Comma table ==
+Has anyone an idea if such tables make sense at all? Also a hint about sensible criteria what to take in what to leave out would be helpful. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 18:56, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
+: I do in fact think that comma tables make sense, but I'd recommend choosing individual commas based on their size, their significance, and their p-limit.  For example, commas with p-limits above 31 should not be included at all- the numbers that result from such primes get too complicated too easily.  At the same time, commas that are of significant size relative to the EDO's Step size should also be included on the list.  Commas like the Nexus comma should also be included on these lists due to their significance- it's not often that two pure prime chains get so close to one another that the difference between them is unnoticeable.  I hope I'm being at least somewhat reasonable. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
+:: I like the way you guys didn't write out ratios of many many digits. I would go further and only include ratios of 3 or 4 digits or less. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 00:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
+::: Are you talking about the number of digits in total- as in throughout the whole ratio?  Sorry, but most commas that are well known have ratios of at least three digits per single side of the ratio, so that would be unreasonable. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 01:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
+:::: Not the total number of digits, just the number of digits in the numerator. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 20:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
+::::: In my opinion also a 8-digit (or <abbr title="9-digits would be better, in this case the numerator would start with 1 anyway">9-digit</abbr>) limit would look good in the comma table. See [[41edo#Commas]] for an example. The 10-digit limit was also in use for naming interval pages and redirect lemmas to them. Maybe also this could be changed? BTW: I think for finding a new consensus, we should move this discussion to a better place. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 20:50, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
+:::::: I like what you did with the 41edo table, --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 22:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
+: I heard these tables are generated by scala, aren't they? [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 05:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
+:: Yes it seems so to me, I also darkly remember reading that somewhere. But I'd like to understand the criteria without looking at scale. Do you see chances to get there? BTW: I have scala installed, I tried to get this list but with no success so far. If anyone knows scala, please help! --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 09:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
+::: You read that in [[50edo]]: ''This list is not all-inclusive, and is based on the interval table from Scala version 2.2. '' Seems the criteria is simply the presence in the interval table. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 13:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)