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{{Infobox regtemp | |||
| Title = Negri | |||
| Subgroups = 2.3.5, 2.3.5.7, 2.3.5.7.13 | |||
| Comma basis = [[16875/16384]] (2.3.5);<br> [[49/48]], [[225/224]] (2.3.5.7);<br> [[49/48]], [[65/64]], [[91/90]] (2.3.5.7.13) | |||
| Edo join 1 = 10 | Edo join 2 = 19 | |||
| Mapping = 1; -4 3 -2 -3 | |||
| Generators = 16/15 | Generators tuning = 125.4 | Optimization method = CWE | |||
| MOS scales = [[1L 8s]], [[9L 1s]], [[10L 9s]] | |||
| Pergen = (P8, P4/4) | |||
| Color name = Laquadyoti | |||
| Odd limit 1 = 7 | Mistuning 1 = 17.8 | Complexity 1 = 8 | |||
| Odd limit 2 = 2.3.5.7.13 15 | Mistuning 2 = 17.8 | Complexity 2 = 19 | |||
}} | }} | ||
'''Negri''' is a [[regular temperament]] generated by a [[generator]] of approximately 125 [[cent]]s, which can be identified with a tempered [[16/15]], such that: | '''Negri''' is a [[regular temperament]] generated by a [[generator]] of approximately 125 [[cent]]s, which can be identified with a tempered [[16/15]], such that: | ||
* Two of them make a tempered [[7/6]]~[[8/7]]~[[15/13]]; | |||
* Two of them make a tempered [[7/6]]~[[8/7]]~[[15/13]] | * Three of them make a tempered [[5/4]]~[[16/13]]; | ||
* Three of them make a tempered [[5/4]]~[[16/13]] | |||
* Four of them make a tempered [[4/3]]. | * Four of them make a tempered [[4/3]]. | ||
It is most naturally viewed as a 2.3.5.7.13- | It is most naturally viewed as a [[2.3.5.7.13 subgroup|2.3.5.7.13-subgroup]] temperament, [[tempering out]] [[49/48]], [[65/64]] and [[91/90]]. This is sometimes called '''negra''', and it is realized consistently in [[19edo]] and [[29edo]]. Other [[edo]]s which may be usable as a negri or negra tuning include [[9edo]], [[10edo]], [[28edo]], [[47edo]], and [[48edo]], all of which are [[consistent]] through (at least) the [[5-odd-limit]], since in the broadest sense, negri is defined as tempering out the [[negri comma]] in the [[5-limit]]. | ||
The 7-limit version can also be viewed as joining with the [[marvel]] temperament family. See [[Semaphoresmic clan #Negri]] for technical data. For discussion on the various 11-limit extensions, see [[Negri extensions]]. | |||
The 7-limit version can also be viewed as joining with the [[marvel]] temperament family. See [[Semaphoresmic clan #Negri]] for | |||
== Interval chain == | == Interval chain == | ||
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{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2" | {| class="wikitable center-1 right-2" | ||
|- | |||
! # | ! # | ||
! Cents* | ! Cents* | ||
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| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 125.4 | | 125.4 | ||
| | | 13/12, 14/13, 15/14, 16/15 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| 250.7 | | 250.7 | ||
| '''8/7''' | | 7/6, '''8/7''', 15/13 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 3 | | 3 | ||
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| 6 | | 6 | ||
| 752.1 | | 752.1 | ||
| 14/9, 32/21 | | 14/9, 20/13, 32/21 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 7 | | 7 | ||
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|} | |} | ||
<nowiki/>* In 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup [[CWE tuning]] | <nowiki/>* In 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup [[CWE tuning]] | ||
== Scales == | |||
Negri forms 9-note and 10-note [[mos scale]]s, Negri[9] and Negri[10], at [[1L 8s]] and [[9L 1s]] respectively. In [[19edo]], the negri generator is the diatonic half-step of 2\19, which allows these mosses to be written fairly simply in conventional notation. For example, the ssssLssss mode of 19edo could be written as E F Gb G# A B C Db D# E. This mode is particularly useful as it has identical ssss pentachords (analogous to the [[tetrachord]]s of classical Greek music theory) on the 1/1 and 3/2. It is also notable in that a subset of these notes form the E double harmonic major scale, E F G# A B C D# E, which features in a wide variety of world musical traditions. In fact, all modes of Negri[9] and Negri[10] contain at least one mode of the double harmonic scale as a subset. | |||
Another useful mode of Negri[9] is Lssssssss, which in 19edo would be A B C Db D# E F Gb G# A. This has a minor triad (A–C–E) for a tonic chord, which can be extended to a 7-limit utonal tetrad (A–C–E–Gb), as well as 7-limit otonal tetrads on E and F that can function as, respectively, a dominant seventh chord and a German augmented sixth chord. This scale also contains the popular Hungarian minor mode of the double harmonic scale, A B C D# E F G# A. | |||
4 of the 9 modes of Negri[9] are like the Locrian mode of the diatonic major scale in that they do not have a note a perfect 5th above the tonic. These are more difficult to apply conventional music theory to. However even in these modes there are a number of chords built on the tonic that can provide a measure of consonance and stability, such as 13:16:20:24 and 6:7:8. | |||
Negri[10] also has a number of useful features. One of these features is the fact that it makes 4:5:6 and 10:12:15 share the same "shape" of generic intervals in the scale (as in other rank-2 decatonic scales such as [[pajara]] and [[blackwood]] scales; this is because 5/4 and 6/5 get tempered to the same interval in [[10edo]]). | |||
== History and terminology == | == History and terminology == | ||
Negri was named by [[Paul Erlich]] in 2001<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_31054.html#31065 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''The grooviest linear temperaments for 7-limit music'']</ref> after John Negri's 10-out-of-19 maximally even scale<ref>"The Nineteen-Tone System as Ten Plus Nine". [https://interval.xentonic.org/tables-of-contents.html | Negri was named by [[Paul Erlich]] in 2001<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_31054.html#31065 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''The grooviest linear temperaments for 7-limit music'']</ref> after John Negri's 10-out-of-19 maximally even scale<ref>"The Nineteen-Tone System as Ten Plus Nine". [https://interval.xentonic.org/tables-of-contents.html ''Interval, Journal of Music Research and Development''], pp. 11–13 of Volume 5, Number 3 (Winter 1986–1987). John Negri.</ref>. It used to be known by distinct names in the 5- and 7-limit as ''negripent'' and ''negrisept'', respectively (for more information on this, see [[Temperament names#Diminished and dimipent]]). It was also earlier known as "quadrafourths" and "tertiathirds".<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_3774#3780 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''25 best weighted generator steps 5-limit temperaments''] – "I'm calling this tertiathirds (was quadrafourths)." —Dave Keenan</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_41392#41396 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''! middle-path 7-limit tetradic scales for kalle''] – "Negri [is the new name for quadrafourths]." —Gene Ward Smith</ref><ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_12957.html#12970 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''98 named 7-limit temperaments''] – "[Negri] aka 'tertiathirds', 'negrisept' (MP)" —Herman Miller</ref> | ||
<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_3774#3780 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''25 best weighted generator steps 5-limit temperaments''] | |||
<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_41392#41396 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''! middle-path 7-limit tetradic scales for kalle''] | |||
<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_12957.html#12970 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''98 named 7-limit temperaments''] | |||
== Tunings == | == Tunings == | ||
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | ||
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 7-limit | |+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 7-limit norm-based tunings | ||
|- | |||
! rowspan="2" | | |||
! colspan="3" | Euclidean | |||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! Constrained | ||
! Constrained & skewed | |||
! Destretched | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | ! Equilateral | ||
| CEE: ~15/14 = 124.602{{c}} | |||
| CSEE: ~15/14 = 125.284{{c}} | |||
| POEE: ~15/14 = 125.468{{c}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | ! Tenney | ||
| CTE: ~15/14 = 124.813{{c}} | |||
| CWE: ~15/14 = 125.435{{c}} | |||
| POTE: ~15/14 = 125.608{{c}} | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | ! Benedetti, <br>Wilson | ||
| CBE: ~15/14 = 124.874{{c}} | |||
| CSBE: ~15/14 = 125.429{{c}} | |||
| POBE: ~15/14 = 125.629{{c}} | |||
|} | |||
{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | |||
|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup norm-based tunings | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | ! rowspan="2" | | ||
! colspan="3" | Euclidean | |||
|- | |- | ||
! Constrained | |||
! Constrained & skewed | |||
! Destretched | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | ! Equilateral | ||
| CEE: ~14/13 = 123.471{{c}} | |||
| CSEE: ~14/13 = 124.672{{c}} | |||
| POEE: ~14/13 = 125.528{{c}} | |||
|- | |||
! Tenney | |||
| CTE: ~14/13 = 124.457{{c}} | |||
| CWE: ~14/13 = 125.354{{c}} | |||
| POTE: ~14/13 = 125.567{{c}} | |||
|- | |||
! Benedetti, <br>Wilson | |||
| CBE: ~14/13 = 124.756{{c}} | |||
| CSBE: ~14/13 = 125.428{{c}} | |||
| POBE: ~14/13 = 125.616{{c}} | |||
|} | |} | ||
{| class="wikitable | === Tuning spectrum === | ||
| | {| class="wikitable center-all left-4" | ||
|- | |||
! Edo<br>generator | |||
! [[Eigenmonzo|Unchanged interval<br>(eigenmonzo)]] | |||
! Generator (¢) | |||
! Comments | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 15/8 | |||
| 111.731 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 7/4 | |||
| 115.587 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 15/14 | |||
| 119.443 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 13/8 | |||
| 119.824 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| 1\10 | |||
| | |||
| 120.000 | |||
| Lower bound of 7-, 9-odd-limit, <br>and 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup 13-odd-limit diamond monotone | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 7/5 | |||
| 123.498 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 15/13 | |||
| 123.871 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| 3\29 | |||
| | |||
| 124.138 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 13/10 | |||
| 124.298 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 3/2 | |||
| 124.511 | |||
| 7- and 9-odd-limit minimax | |||
|- | |||
| 5\48 | |||
| | |||
| 125.000 | |||
| 48df val | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 10/9 | |||
| 125.673 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| 2\19 | |||
| | |||
| 126.316 | |||
| Upper bound of 9-odd-limit<br>and 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup 13-odd-limit diamond monotone | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 5/3 | |||
| 126.337 | |||
| 5-odd-limit minimax | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 13/9 | |||
| 127.324 | |||
| | |||
|- | |||
| | |||
| 9/7 | |||
| 127.486 | |||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 5\47 | |||
| | |||
| 127.660 | |||
| 47df val | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 13/7 | |||
| 128.298 | |||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 3\28 | ||
| | |||
| 128.571 | |||
| 28df val | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 5/4 | |||
| 128.771 | |||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | 1\9 | ||
| | |||
| 133.333 | |||
| Upper bound of 7-odd-limit diamond monotone | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 7/6 | |||
| 133.435 | |||
| | |||
|- | |- | ||
| | | | ||
| 13/12 | |||
| 138.573 | |||
| | |||
|} | |} | ||
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; [[Sebastian Dumitrescu]] | ; [[Sebastian Dumitrescu]] | ||
* [https://soundcloud.com/sedumitr/la-multi-ani-19_edo ''La Mulți Ani''] ([http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Dumitrescu/__La_Mul_i_Ani__negri_10___19edo__by_Sebastian_Dumitrescu.mp3 play]{{dead link}}) – | * [https://soundcloud.com/sedumitr/la-multi-ani-19_edo ''La Mulți Ani''] ([http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Dumitrescu/__La_Mul_i_Ani__negri_10___19edo__by_Sebastian_Dumitrescu.mp3 play]{{dead link}}) – Negri[10] in 19edo tuning | ||
; [[Lillian Hearne]] | ; [[Lillian Hearne]] | ||
* [https://soundcloud.com/lillianhearne/negri-shmegri ''Negri Shmegri''] ([http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Hearne/Negri%20Shmegri.mp3 play]{{dead link}}) – | * [https://soundcloud.com/lillianhearne/negri-shmegri ''Negri Shmegri''] ([http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Hearne/Negri%20Shmegri.mp3 play]{{dead link}}) – Negri[9] symmetric mode in 19edo | ||
; [[Herman Miller]] | |||
* [https://soundcloud.com/morphosyntax-1/without-a-clue ''Without a Clue''] (2024) | |||
; [[Ray Perlner]] | ; [[Ray Perlner]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkW9S8bpltfy3qYhWKO2vyloaMGiH4JtN ''Negri-9 Modal Fugues''] (YouTube playlist) | * [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkW9S8bpltfy3qYhWKO2vyloaMGiH4JtN ''Negri-9 Modal Fugues''] (YouTube playlist) | ||
== | == References == | ||
<references/> | <references/> | ||
[[Category:Negri| ]] <!-- main article --> | [[Category:Negri| ]] <!-- main article --> | ||
[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]] | |||
[[Category:Semaphoresmic clan]] | [[Category:Semaphoresmic clan]] | ||
[[Category:Marvel temperaments]] | [[Category:Marvel temperaments]] | ||
[[Category:Avicennmic temperaments]] | |||
Latest revision as of 22:05, 13 April 2026
| Negri |
49/48, 225/224 (2.3.5.7);
49/48, 65/64, 91/90 (2.3.5.7.13)
2.3.5.7.13 15-odd-limit: 17.8 ¢
2.3.5.7.13 15-odd-limit: 19 notes
Negri is a regular temperament generated by a generator of approximately 125 cents, which can be identified with a tempered 16/15, such that:
- Two of them make a tempered 7/6~8/7~15/13;
- Three of them make a tempered 5/4~16/13;
- Four of them make a tempered 4/3.
It is most naturally viewed as a 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup temperament, tempering out 49/48, 65/64 and 91/90. This is sometimes called negra, and it is realized consistently in 19edo and 29edo. Other edos which may be usable as a negri or negra tuning include 9edo, 10edo, 28edo, 47edo, and 48edo, all of which are consistent through (at least) the 5-odd-limit, since in the broadest sense, negri is defined as tempering out the negri comma in the 5-limit.
The 7-limit version can also be viewed as joining with the marvel temperament family. See Semaphoresmic clan #Negri for technical data. For discussion on the various 11-limit extensions, see Negri extensions.
Interval chain
In the following table, odd harmonics and subharmonics 1–13 are in bold.
| # | Cents* | Approximate ratios |
|---|---|---|
| 0 | 0.0 | 1/1 |
| 1 | 125.4 | 13/12, 14/13, 15/14, 16/15 |
| 2 | 250.7 | 7/6, 8/7, 15/13 |
| 3 | 376.1 | 5/4, 16/13 |
| 4 | 501.4 | 4/3 |
| 5 | 626.8 | 10/7, 13/9 |
| 6 | 752.1 | 14/9, 20/13, 32/21 |
| 7 | 877.5 | 5/3 |
| 8 | 1002.8 | 16/9 |
| 9 | 1128.2 | 35/18, 40/21, 52/27 |
| 10 | 53.5 | 25/24, 28/27, 50/49, 64/63 |
* In 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup CWE tuning
Scales
Negri forms 9-note and 10-note mos scales, Negri[9] and Negri[10], at 1L 8s and 9L 1s respectively. In 19edo, the negri generator is the diatonic half-step of 2\19, which allows these mosses to be written fairly simply in conventional notation. For example, the ssssLssss mode of 19edo could be written as E F Gb G# A B C Db D# E. This mode is particularly useful as it has identical ssss pentachords (analogous to the tetrachords of classical Greek music theory) on the 1/1 and 3/2. It is also notable in that a subset of these notes form the E double harmonic major scale, E F G# A B C D# E, which features in a wide variety of world musical traditions. In fact, all modes of Negri[9] and Negri[10] contain at least one mode of the double harmonic scale as a subset.
Another useful mode of Negri[9] is Lssssssss, which in 19edo would be A B C Db D# E F Gb G# A. This has a minor triad (A–C–E) for a tonic chord, which can be extended to a 7-limit utonal tetrad (A–C–E–Gb), as well as 7-limit otonal tetrads on E and F that can function as, respectively, a dominant seventh chord and a German augmented sixth chord. This scale also contains the popular Hungarian minor mode of the double harmonic scale, A B C D# E F G# A.
4 of the 9 modes of Negri[9] are like the Locrian mode of the diatonic major scale in that they do not have a note a perfect 5th above the tonic. These are more difficult to apply conventional music theory to. However even in these modes there are a number of chords built on the tonic that can provide a measure of consonance and stability, such as 13:16:20:24 and 6:7:8.
Negri[10] also has a number of useful features. One of these features is the fact that it makes 4:5:6 and 10:12:15 share the same "shape" of generic intervals in the scale (as in other rank-2 decatonic scales such as pajara and blackwood scales; this is because 5/4 and 6/5 get tempered to the same interval in 10edo).
History and terminology
Negri was named by Paul Erlich in 2001[1] after John Negri's 10-out-of-19 maximally even scale[2]. It used to be known by distinct names in the 5- and 7-limit as negripent and negrisept, respectively (for more information on this, see Temperament names#Diminished and dimipent). It was also earlier known as "quadrafourths" and "tertiathirds".[3][4][5]
Tunings
| Euclidean | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Constrained | Constrained & skewed | Destretched | |
| Equilateral | CEE: ~15/14 = 124.602 ¢ | CSEE: ~15/14 = 125.284 ¢ | POEE: ~15/14 = 125.468 ¢ |
| Tenney | CTE: ~15/14 = 124.813 ¢ | CWE: ~15/14 = 125.435 ¢ | POTE: ~15/14 = 125.608 ¢ |
| Benedetti, Wilson |
CBE: ~15/14 = 124.874 ¢ | CSBE: ~15/14 = 125.429 ¢ | POBE: ~15/14 = 125.629 ¢ |
| Euclidean | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Constrained | Constrained & skewed | Destretched | |
| Equilateral | CEE: ~14/13 = 123.471 ¢ | CSEE: ~14/13 = 124.672 ¢ | POEE: ~14/13 = 125.528 ¢ |
| Tenney | CTE: ~14/13 = 124.457 ¢ | CWE: ~14/13 = 125.354 ¢ | POTE: ~14/13 = 125.567 ¢ |
| Benedetti, Wilson |
CBE: ~14/13 = 124.756 ¢ | CSBE: ~14/13 = 125.428 ¢ | POBE: ~14/13 = 125.616 ¢ |
Tuning spectrum
| Edo generator |
Unchanged interval (eigenmonzo) |
Generator (¢) | Comments |
|---|---|---|---|
| 15/8 | 111.731 | ||
| 7/4 | 115.587 | ||
| 15/14 | 119.443 | ||
| 13/8 | 119.824 | ||
| 1\10 | 120.000 | Lower bound of 7-, 9-odd-limit, and 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup 13-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 7/5 | 123.498 | ||
| 15/13 | 123.871 | ||
| 3\29 | 124.138 | ||
| 13/10 | 124.298 | ||
| 3/2 | 124.511 | 7- and 9-odd-limit minimax | |
| 5\48 | 125.000 | 48df val | |
| 10/9 | 125.673 | ||
| 2\19 | 126.316 | Upper bound of 9-odd-limit and 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup 13-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 5/3 | 126.337 | 5-odd-limit minimax | |
| 13/9 | 127.324 | ||
| 9/7 | 127.486 | ||
| 5\47 | 127.660 | 47df val | |
| 13/7 | 128.298 | ||
| 3\28 | 128.571 | 28df val | |
| 5/4 | 128.771 | ||
| 1\9 | 133.333 | Upper bound of 7-odd-limit diamond monotone | |
| 7/6 | 133.435 | ||
| 13/12 | 138.573 |
See also
Music
- La Mulți Ani (play[dead link]) – Negri[10] in 19edo tuning
- Negri Shmegri (play[dead link]) – Negri[9] symmetric mode in 19edo
- Without a Clue (2024)
- Negri-9 Modal Fugues (YouTube playlist)
References
- ↑ Yahoo! Tuning Group | The grooviest linear temperaments for 7-limit music
- ↑ "The Nineteen-Tone System as Ten Plus Nine". Interval, Journal of Music Research and Development, pp. 11–13 of Volume 5, Number 3 (Winter 1986–1987). John Negri.
- ↑ Yahoo! Tuning Group | 25 best weighted generator steps 5-limit temperaments – "I'm calling this tertiathirds (was quadrafourths)." —Dave Keenan
- ↑ Yahoo! Tuning Group | ! middle-path 7-limit tetradic scales for kalle – "Negri [is the new name for quadrafourths]." —Gene Ward Smith
- ↑ Yahoo! Tuning Group | 98 named 7-limit temperaments – "[Negri] aka 'tertiathirds', 'negrisept' (MP)" —Herman Miller