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{{Infobox Interval
{{Infobox Interval
| Ratio = 9/7
| Name = supermajor third, septimal major third
| Monzo = 0 2 0 -1
| Cents = 435.08410
| Name = supermajor third, <br>septimal major third
| Color name = r3, ru 3rd
| Color name = r3, ru 3rd
| FJS name = M3<sub>7</sub>
| Sound = jid_9_7_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
| Sound = jid_9_7_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
}}
}}
{{Wikipedia|Septimal major third}}
In [[just intonation]], '''9/7''' is the '''supermajor third'''<ref>[[Hermann von Helmholtz|Hermann L. F. von Helmholtz]] (1875). ''On the sensations of tone as a physiological basis for the theory of music'', p. 284.</ref> or '''septimal major third''' of approximately 435.1{{cent}}, characteristic of [[7-limit]] and beyond. On its own, it has a very strident quality, but in the context of a chord, it can sound perfectly consonant. The [[9-odd-limit]] harmonic ninth chord, a [[pentad]] with ratios [[4:5:6:7:9]], includes a septimal supermajor third between the seventh and the ninth. The interval has an interesting "neutral" quality to it similar to the way [[9/8]] behaves as ratios of [[9/1|9]] all share this quality.


In [[Just Intonation]], '''9/7''' is the '''supermajor third''' or '''septimal major third''' of approximately 435.1¢, characteristic of [[7-limit]] and beyond. On its own, it has a very strident quality, but in the context of a chord, it can sound perfectly consonant. The 9-limit hexad 4:5:6:7:8:9 includes a septimal supermajor third between the 7th and the 9th. The interval has an interesting neutral quality to it similar to the way 9/8 behaves as ratios of nine all share this quality.  
A just chord can be built with this wide third in place of the more traditional [[5/4]]. This supermajor triad would be [[14:18:21]]. This triad can be very effective in music, but in this context, the modern ear accustomed to [[12edo]] thirds of 400{{cent}} is likely to hear 9/7 as a mistuned major third instead of a new class of interval in its own right. Because 9/7 is a ratio of 9, it shares sonority qualities with 9/8 much more than 5/4. Chords such as the 9-odd-limit pentad above and certain subsets of it give more opportunity for 9/7 to be heard as consonant.


A just chord can be built with this wide third in place of the more traditional [[5/4]]. This supermajor triad would be 14:18:21. This triad can be very effective in music, but in this context, the modern ear accustomed to 12edo thirds of 400¢ is likely to hear 9/7 as a mistuned major third instead of a new class of interval in its own right. Because 9/7 is a ratio of 9, it shares sonority qualities with [[9/8]] much more than 5/4. Chords such as the [[9-odd-limit|9-limit]] hexad above and subsets of it give more opportunity for 9/7 to be heard as consonant.
In [[Ancient Greek music]], {{w|Archytas}} used the 9/7 interval in his [[tetrachord]] tunings (in all three genera), for the interval between the ''parhypate'' (second degree) and ''mese'' (fourth degree).
 
== Approximation ==
In [[11edo]], 4\11 is about 1.3{{cent}} sharp of 9/7.  
 
{{Interval edo approximation|9/7}}


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[14/9]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[14/9]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[7/6]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[7/6]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[11edo]] has a good approximation: 4\11
* [[28/27]] – its [[fourth complement]]
* [[Gallery of Just Intervals]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[Wikipedia:Septimal major third|Septimal major third - Wikipedia]]
 
== References ==
<references />


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Latest revision as of 04:08, 12 March 2026

Interval information
Ratio 9/7
Factorization 32 × 7-1
Monzo [0 2 0 -1
Size in cents 435.0841¢
Names supermajor third,
septimal major third
Color name r3, ru 3rd
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{M3}_{7} }[/math]
Special properties reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 5.97728
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 6.33985
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 13

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In just intonation, 9/7 is the supermajor third[1] or septimal major third of approximately 435.1 ¢, characteristic of 7-limit and beyond. On its own, it has a very strident quality, but in the context of a chord, it can sound perfectly consonant. The 9-odd-limit harmonic ninth chord, a pentad with ratios 4:5:6:7:9, includes a septimal supermajor third between the seventh and the ninth. The interval has an interesting "neutral" quality to it similar to the way 9/8 behaves as ratios of 9 all share this quality.

A just chord can be built with this wide third in place of the more traditional 5/4. This supermajor triad would be 14:18:21. This triad can be very effective in music, but in this context, the modern ear accustomed to 12edo thirds of 400 ¢ is likely to hear 9/7 as a mistuned major third instead of a new class of interval in its own right. Because 9/7 is a ratio of 9, it shares sonority qualities with 9/8 much more than 5/4. Chords such as the 9-odd-limit pentad above and certain subsets of it give more opportunity for 9/7 to be heard as consonant.

In Ancient Greek music, Archytas used the 9/7 interval in his tetrachord tunings (in all three genera), for the interval between the parhypate (second degree) and mese (fourth degree).

Approximation

In 11edo, 4\11 is about 1.3 ¢ sharp of 9/7.


Edo approximations for 9/7 (435.08 ¢)
≤ 80edo, relative error ≤ 10%
Edo Step size Cents (¢) Absolute error (¢) Relative error (%)
3 1\3 400.00 -35.08 -8.77
8 3\8 450.00 +14.92 +9.94
11 4\11 436.36 +1.28 +1.17
14 5\14 428.57 -6.51 -7.60
22 8\22 436.36 +1.28 +2.35
25 9\25 432.00 -3.08 -6.43
33 12\33 436.36 +1.28 +3.52
36 13\36 433.33 -1.75 -5.25
44 16\44 436.36 +1.28 +4.69
47 17\47 434.04 -1.04 -4.08
55 20\55 436.36 +1.28 +5.86
58 21\58 434.48 -0.60 -2.91
66 24\66 436.36 +1.28 +7.04
69 25\69 434.78 -0.30 -1.73
77 28\77 436.36 +1.28 +8.21
80 29\80 435.00 -0.08 -0.56

See also

References

  1. Hermann L. F. von Helmholtz (1875). On the sensations of tone as a physiological basis for the theory of music, p. 284.