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The six modes of the just porcutone diatonic are:
The six modes of the just porcutone diatonic are:
* Mode 3: 10/9 5/4 25/18 3/2 5/3 50/27 2/1 = Meantone[7] 6|0 x Porcupine[7] 5|1 = LLLsLLs x sLsssss = MLMsMMs = Lydian x dark major = Lydian dark major
* Mode 2: 9/8 5/4 27/20 3/2 5/3 9/5 2/1 = Meantone[7] 4|2 x Porcupine[7] 6|0 = LLsLLsL x Lssssss = LMsMMsM = Mixolydian x bright major = Mixolydian bright major
* Mode 1: 10/9 100/81 4/3 40/27 5/3 50/27 2/1 = Meantone[7] 5|1 x Porcupine[7] 2|4 = LLsLLLs x ssssLss = MMsMLMs = Ionian x bright diminished = Ionian bright diminished
* Mode 0: 10/9 6/5 4/3 3/2 5/3 9/5 2/1 = Meantone[7] 3|3 x Porcupine[7] 3|3 = LsLLLsL x sssLsss = MsMLMsM = Dorian x symmetric minor = Dorian symmetric minor
* Mode -1: 27/25 6/5 27/20 3/2 81/50 9/5 2/1 = Meantone[7] 1|5 x Porcupine[7] 4|2 = sLLLsLL x ssLssss = sMLMsMM = Phrygian x bright minor = Phrygian bright minor
* Mode -2: 10/9 6/5 4/3 40/27 8/5 16/9 2/1 = Meantone[7] 2|4 x Porcupine[7] 0|6 = LsLLsLL x ssssssL = MsMMsML = Aeolian x magical seventh mode = Aeolian magical seventh


* Mode -3: 27/25 6/5 4/3 36/25 8/5 9/5 2/1 = Meantone[7] 0|6 x Porcupine[7] 1|5 = sLLsLLL x sssssLs = sMMsMLs = Locrian x dark diminished = Locrian dark diminished
* Mode -3: 27/25 6/5 4/3 36/25 8/5 9/5 2/1 = Meantone[7] 0|6 x Porcupine[7] 1|5 = sLLsLLL x sssssLs = sMMsMLs = Locrian x dark diminished = Locrian dark diminished
* Mode -2: 10/9 6/5 4/3 40/27 8/5 16/9 2/1 = Meantone[7] 2|4 x Porcupine[7] 0|6 = LsLLsLL x ssssssL = MsMMsML = Aeolian x magical seventh mode = Aeolian magical seventh
* Mode -1: 27/25 6/5 27/20 3/2 81/50 9/5 2/1 = Meantone[7] 1|5 x Porcupine[7] 4|2 = sLLLsLL x ssLssss = sMLMsMM = Phrygian x bright minor = Phrygian bright minor
* Mode 0: 10/9 6/5 4/3 3/2 5/3 9/5 2/1 = Meantone[7] 3|3 x Porcupine[7] 3|3 = LsLLLsL x sssLsss = MsMLMsM = Dorian x symmetric minor = Dorian symmetric minor
* Mode 1: 10/9 100/81 4/3 40/27 5/3 50/27 2/1 = Meantone[7] 5|1 x Porcupine[7] 2|4 = LLsLLLs x ssssLss = MMsMLMs = Ionian x bright diminished = Ionian bright diminished
* Mode 2: 9/8 5/4 27/20 3/2 5/3 9/5 2/1 = Meantone[7] 4|2 x Porcupine[7] 6|0 = LLsLLsL x Lssssss = LMsMMsM = Mixolydian x bright major = Mixolydian bright major
* Mode 3: 10/9 5/4 25/18 3/2 5/3 50/27 2/1 = Meantone[7] 6|0 x Porcupine[7] 5|1 = LLLsLLs x sLsssss = MLMsMMs = Lydian x dark major = Lydian dark major


If we temper so that 10/9 ~ 11/10, and 27/25 ~ 12/11 (and 9/8 ~ 25/22) ie., tempering out [[100/99]], we get the Ptolemismic Porcutone diatonic with modes:
If we temper so that 10/9 ~ 11/10, and 27/25 ~ 12/11 (and 9/8 ~ 25/22) ie., tempering out [[100/99]], we get the Ptolemismic Porcutone diatonic with modes:


* Lydian dark major: ~ 10/9 5/4 11/8 3/2 5/3 11/6 2/1
* Mixolydian bright major: ~ 9/8 5/4 15/11 3/2 5/3 9/5 2/1
* Ionian bright diminished: ~ 10/9 11/9 4/3 22/15 5/3 11/6 2/1
* Dorian symmetric minor:  ~ 10/9 6/5 4/3 3/2 5/3 9/5 2/1
* Phrygian bright minor: ~ 12/11 6/5 15/11 3/2 18/11 9/5 2/1
* Aeolian magical seventh: ~ 10/9 6/5 4/3 22/15 8/5 16/9 2/1
* Locrian dark diminished: ~ 12/11 6/5 4/3 16/11 8/5 9/5 2/1
* Locrian dark diminished: ~ 12/11 6/5 4/3 16/11 8/5 9/5 2/1
* Aeolian magical seventh: ~ 10/9 6/5 4/3 22/15 8/5 16/9 2/1
* Phrygian bright minor: ~ 12/11 6/5 15/11 3/2 18/11 9/5 2/1
* Dorian symmetric minor:  ~ 10/9 6/5 4/3 3/2 5/3 9/5 2/1
* Ionian bright diminished: ~ 10/9 11/9 4/3 22/15 5/3 11/6 2/1
* Mixolydian bright major: ~ 9/8 5/4 15/11 3/2 5/3 9/5 2/1
* Lydian dark major: ~ 10/9 5/4 11/8 3/2 5/3 11/6 2/1


Tuned to TE (math over, here's tuning of the modes in cents, and their names, which combine the diatonic mode names with the functional Porcupine[7] mode names)
Tuned to TE (math over, here's tuning of the modes in cents, and their names, which combine the diatonic mode names with the functional Porcupine[7] mode names)


* Lydian dark major: 174.055 383.834 557.888 704.524 878.579 1052.633 1199.269
* Mixolydian bright major: 209.779 383.834 530.469 704.524 878.579 1025.214 1199.269
* Ionian bright diminished: 174.055 348.11 494.745 668.8 878.579 1052.633 1199.269
* Dorian symmetric minor: 174.055 320.69 494.745 704.524 878.579 1025.214 1199.269
* Phrygian bright minor: 146.635 320.69 530.469 704.524 851.159 1025.214 1199.269
* Aeolian magical seventh: 174.055 320.69 494.745 668.8 815.435 989.49 1199.269
* Locrian dark diminished: 146.635 320.69 494.745 641.38 815.435 1025.214 1199.269
* Locrian dark diminished: 146.635 320.69 494.745 641.38 815.435 1025.214 1199.269
* Aeolian magical seventh: 174.055 320.69 494.745 668.8 815.435 989.49 1199.269
* Phrygian bright minor: 146.635 320.69 530.469 704.524 851.159 1025.214 1199.269
* Dorian symmetric minor: 174.055 320.69 494.745 704.524 878.579 1025.214 1199.269
* Ionian bright diminished: 174.055 348.11 494.745 668.8 878.579 1052.633 1199.269
* Mixolydian bright major: 209.779 383.834 530.469 704.524 878.579 1025.214 1199.269
* Lydian dark major: 174.055 383.834 557.888 704.524 878.579 1052.633 1199.269


The 11th harmonic as a Porcupine M4 is found at Meantone P4, tempering out 33/32, leading to [[Meanenneadecal]], where 33/32 is tempered out, hence the Ptotemismic Porcupine diatonic is a detempering of [[Meanenneadecal]].
The 11th harmonic as a Porcupine M4 is found at Meantone P4, tempering out 33/32, leading to [[Meanenneadecal]], where 33/32 is tempered out, hence the Ptotemismic Porcupine diatonic is a detempering of [[Meanenneadecal]].
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Using a G# instead of an Ab, we get the following modes for porcutone octatonic a:
Using a G# instead of an Ab, we get the following modes for porcutone octatonic a:


* Mode 4a:  LMLLMLsM -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLLsL 6|1, Father[8]: LsLLsLLs 4|3 -> Celephaïsian dark quartal
* Mode 3a:  MLMLLMLs -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLLLs 7|0, Father[8]: sLsLLsLL 0|7 -> Sarnathian bright quartal
* Mode 2a:  LLMLsMLM -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLsLLL 4|3, Father[8]: LLsLLsLs 7|0 -> Dylathian middle major
* Mode 1a:  MLLMLsML -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLsLL 5|2, Father[8]: sLLsLLsL 2|5 -> Kadathian bright major
* Mode -1a: LMLsMLML -> Porcupine[8]: LLLsLLLL 3|4, Father[8]: LsLLsLsL 5|2 -> Ultharian dark major
* Mode -2a: LsMLMLLM -> Porcupine[8]: LsLLLLLL 1|6, Father[8]: LLsLsLLs 6|1 -> Illarnekian middle minor
* Mode -3a: MLsMLMLL -> Porcupine[8]: LLsLLLLL 2|5, Father[8]: sLLsLsLL 1|6 -> Hlanithian bright minor
* Mode -4a: sMLMLLML -> Porcupine[8]: sLLLLLLL 0|7, Father[8]: LsLsLLsL 3|4 -> Mnarian dark minor
* Mode -4a: sMLMLLML -> Porcupine[8]: sLLLLLLL 0|7, Father[8]: LsLsLLsL 3|4 -> Mnarian dark minor
* Mode -3a: MLsMLMLL -> Porcupine[8]: LLsLLLLL 2|5, Father[8]: sLLsLsLL 1|6 -> Hlanithian bright minor
* Mode -2a: LsMLMLLM -> Porcupine[8]: LsLLLLLL 1|6, Father[8]: LLsLsLLs 6|1 -> Illarnekian middle minor
* Mode -1a: LMLsMLML -> Porcupine[8]: LLLsLLLL 3|4, Father[8]: LsLLsLsL 5|2 -> Ultharian dark major
* Mode 1a:  MLLMLsML -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLsLL 5|2, Father[8]: sLLsLLsL 2|5 -> Kadathian bright major
* Mode 2a:  LLMLsMLM -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLsLLL 4|3, Father[8]: LLsLLsLs 7|0 -> Dylathian middle major
* Mode 3a:  MLMLLMLs -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLLLs 7|0, Father[8]: sLsLLsLL 0|7 -> Sarnathian bright quartal
* Mode 4a:  LMLLMLsM -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLLsL 6|1, Father[8]: LsLLsLLs 4|3 -> Celephaïsian dark quartal


We could have chosen to include Ab instead of G# in the porcutone octatonic, which would result in the inverse of everything above, i.e., a chromatic gamut of Gb-B and inverses of the 8 porcutone octatonic modes resulting a different set of modes.  
We could have chosen to include Ab instead of G# in the porcutone octatonic, which would result in the inverse of everything above, i.e., a chromatic gamut of Gb-B and inverses of the 8 porcutone octatonic modes resulting a different set of modes.  
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Porcutone Chromatic (Gb-B): 146.635 174.055 320.69 467.325 494.745 641.38 704.524 851.159 878.579 1025.214 1171.849 1199.269  
Porcutone Chromatic (Gb-B): 146.635 174.055 320.69 467.325 494.745 641.38 704.524 851.159 878.579 1025.214 1171.849 1199.269  


* Mode -4b: MsLMLLML -> Porcupine[8]: LsLLLLLL 1|6, Father[8]: sLLsLLsL 3|4 -> Mnarian middle minor
* Mode -3b: LsMLLMLM -> Porcupine[8]: sLLLLLLL 0|7, Father[8]: LLsLLsLs 7|0 -> Dylathian dark minor
* Mode -2b: MLMsLMLL -> Porcupine[8]: LLLsLLLL 3|4, Father[8]: sLsLLsLL 0|7 -> Sarnathian dark major
* Mode -1b: LMsLMLLM -> Porcupine[8]: LLsLLLLL 2|5, Father[8]: LsLLsLLs 5|2 -> Celephaïsian bright minor
* Mode 1b:  LMLMsLML -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLsLLL 4|3, Father[8]: LsLsLLsL 2|5 -> Kadathian middle major
* Mode 2b:  MLLMLMsL -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLLsL 6|1, Father[8]: sLLsLsLL 1|6 -> Hlanithian dark quartal
* Mode 3b:  LLMLMsLM -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLsLL 5|2, Father[8]: LLsLsLLs 6|1 -> Illarnekian bright major
* Mode 4b:  LMLLMLMs -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLLLs 7|0, Father[8]: LsLLsLsL 4|3 -> Ultharian bright quartal
* Mode 4b:  LMLLMLMs -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLLLs 7|0, Father[8]: LsLLsLsL 4|3 -> Ultharian bright quartal
* Mode 3b:  LLMLMsLM -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLsLL 5|2, Father[8]: LLsLsLLs 6|1 -> Illarnekian bright major
* Mode 2b:  MLLMLMsL -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLLLsL 6|1, Father[8]: sLLsLsLL 1|6 -> Hlanithian dark quartal
* Mode 1b:  LMLMsLML -> Porcupine[8]: LLLLsLLL 4|3, Father[8]: LsLsLLsL 2|5 -> Kadathian middle major
* Mode -1b: LMsLMLLM -> Porcupine[8]: LLsLLLLL 2|5, Father[8]: LsLLsLLs 5|2 -> Celephaïsian bright minor
* Mode -2b: MLMsLMLL -> Porcupine[8]: LLLsLLLL 3|4, Father[8]: sLsLLsLL 0|7 -> Sarnathian dark major
* Mode -3b: LsMLLMLM -> Porcupine[8]: sLLLLLLL 0|7, Father[8]: LLsLLsLs 7|0 -> Dylathian dark minor
* Mode -4b: MsLMLLML -> Porcupine[8]: LsLLLLLL 1|6, Father[8]: sLLsLLsL 3|4 -> Mnarian middle minor


== Porcutone harmonic minor and harmonic major ==
== Porcutone harmonic minor and harmonic major ==
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We get the following 7 modes of porcutone harmonic minor scale:
We get the following 7 modes of porcutone harmonic minor scale:


* Mode 3: Lsmsmms Lydian ♯2 bright major
* Mode 2: mmsLsms Ionian ♯5 symmetric minor
* Mode 1: msLsmsm Ukranian dorian bright minor
* Mode 0: sLsmsmm Phyrgian dominant dark major
* Mode -1: msmmsLs harmonic minor dark diminished
* Mode -2: smmsLsm Locrian ♮6 bright diminished
* Mode -3: smsmmsL altered diminished magical seventh
* Mode -3: smsmmsL altered diminished magical seventh
* Mode -2: smmsLsm Locrian natural 6 bright diminished
* Mode -2: msmmsLs harmonic minor dark diminished
* Mode 0: sLsmsmm Phyrgian dominant dark major
* Mode -1: msLsmsm Ukranian dorian bright minor
* Mode -2: mmsLsms Ionian #5 symmetric minor
* Mode -3: Lsmsmms Lydian #2 bright major


Using an Ab instead, we get the scale:
Using an Ab instead, we get the scale:
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Which has porcutone harmonic major modes:
Which has porcutone harmonic major modes:


* Mode -3: smmsmsL Locrian magical bb7
* Mode 3: Lsmmsms Lydian Augmented ♯2 bright major
* Mode -2: smsLsmm Phrygian b4 symmetric minor
* Mode 2: msLsmms Lydian ♭3 bright minor
* Mode -1: msmsLsm Dorian b5 dark diminished
* Mode 1: sLsmmsm Mixolydian ♭2 dark major
* Mode 0: mmsmsLs harmonic major bright diminished
* Mode 0: mmsmsLs harmonic major bright diminished
* Mode 1: sLsmmsm Mixolydian b2 dark major
* Mode -1: msmsLsm Dorian ♭5 dark diminished
* Mode 2: msLsmms Lydian b3 bright minor
* Mode -2: smsLsmm Phrygian ♭4 symmetric minor
* Mode 3: Lsmmsms bright major
* Mode -3: smmsmsL Locrian magical ♭♭7


== Porcutone pentatonic ==
== Porcutone pentatonic ==