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The [[5-limit]] parent comma for the '''würschmidt family''' is [[393216/390625]], known as Würschmidt's comma, and named after José Würschmidt, Its [[monzo]] is {{Monzo|17 1 -8}}, and flipping that yields {{Multival|8 1 17}} for the wedgie. This tells us the [[generator]] is a major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require eight of these. In fact, (5/4)<sup>8</sup> * 393216/390625 = 6. 10\31, 11\34 or 21\65 are possible generators and other tunings include 96EDO, 99EDO and 164EDO. Another tuning solution is to sharpen the major third by 1/8th of a Würschmidt comma, which is to say by 1.43 cents, and thereby achieve pure fifths; this is the [[minimax tuning]]. Würschmidt is well-supplied with MOS scales, with 10, 13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 28, 31 and 34 note [[MOS]] all possibilities.
The [[5-limit]] parent comma for the '''würschmidt family''' is [[393216/390625]], known as Würschmidt's comma, and named after José Würschmidt, Its [[monzo]] is {{monzo| 17 1 -8 }}, and flipping that yields {{multival| 8 1 17 }} for the wedgie. This tells us the [[generator]] is a classic major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require eight of these. In fact, (5/4)<sup>8</sup> × 393216/390625 = 6. 10\31, 11\34 or 21\65 are possible generators and other tunings include 96EDO, 99EDO and 164EDO. Another tuning solution is to sharpen the major third by 1/8th of a Würschmidt comma, which is to say by 1.43 cents, and thereby achieve pure fifths; this is the [[minimax tuning]]. Würschmidt is well-supplied with MOS scales, with 10, 13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 28, 31 and 34 note [[MOS]] all possibilities.


== Würschmidt ==
== Würschmidt ==
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* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Freivald/Wurschmidt%5b16%5d-out.mp3 Extrospection] by [https://soundcloud.com/jdfreivald/extrospection Jake Freivald]; Würschmidt[16] tuned in 31EDO.
* [http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Freivald/Wurschmidt%5b16%5d-out.mp3 Extrospection] by [https://soundcloud.com/jdfreivald/extrospection Jake Freivald]; Würschmidt[16] tuned in 31EDO.


=== Seven limit children ===
=== Extensions ===
The second comma of the [[Normal_lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Würschmidt adds {{Monzo|12 3 -6 -1}}, worschmidt adds 65625/65536 = {{Monzo|-16 1 5 1}}, whirrschmidt adds 4375/4374 = {{Monzo|-1 -7 4 1}} and hemiwuerschmidt adds 6144/6125 = {{Monzo|11 1 -3 -2}}.
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Würschmidt adds {{Monzo|12 3 -6 -1}}, worschmidt adds 65625/65536 = {{Monzo|-16 1 5 1}}, whirrschmidt adds 4375/4374 = {{Monzo|-1 -7 4 1}} and hemiwuerschmidt adds 6144/6125 = {{Monzo|11 1 -3 -2}}.


== Septimal Würschmidt ==
== Septimal Würschmidt ==
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[[Comma list]]: [[225/224]], 8748/8575
[[Comma list]]: [[225/224]], 8748/8575


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 7 3 15}}, {{Val|0 -8 -1 -18}}]
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 7 3 15 }}, {{Val| 0 -8 -1 -18 }}]


[[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.383
[[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.383
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Comma list: 99/98, 176/175, 243/242
Comma list: 99/98, 176/175, 243/242


Mapping: [{{val|1 7 3 15 17}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 -18 -20}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 7 3 15 17 }}, {{val| 0 -8 -1 -18 -20 }}]


POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.447
POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.447
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Comma list: 99/98, 144/143, 176/175, 275/273
Comma list: 99/98, 144/143, 176/175, 275/273


Mapping: [{{val|1 7 3 15 17 1}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 -18 -20 4}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 7 3 15 17 1 }}, {{val| 0 -8 -1 -18 -20 4 }}]


POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.626
POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.626
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Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 243/242
Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 243/242


Mapping: [{{val|1 7 3 15 17 22}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 -18 -20 -27}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 7 3 15 17 22 }}, {{val| 0 -8 -1 -18 -20 -27 }}]


POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.099
POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.099
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[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 33075/32768
[[Comma list]]: 126/125, 33075/32768


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 7 3 -6}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 13}}]
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 7 3 -6 }}, {{val| 0 -8 -1 13 }}]


[[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.392
[[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.392
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Comma list: 126/125, 243/242, 385/384
Comma list: 126/125, 243/242, 385/384


Mapping: [{{val|1 7 3 -6 17}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 13 -20}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 7 3 -6 17 }}, {{val| 0 -8 -1 13 -20 }}]


POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.407
POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.407
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[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 393216/390625
[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 393216/390625


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 7 3 38}}, {{val|0 -8 -1 -52}}]
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 7 3 38 }}, {{val| 0 -8 -1 -52 }}]


[[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.881
[[POTE generator]]: ~5/4 = 387.881
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[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 3136/3125
[[Comma list]]: 2401/2400, 3136/3125


[[Mapping]]: [{{val|1 15 4 7}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5}}]
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 15 4 7 }}, {{val| 0 -16 -2 -5 }}]


{{Multival|legend=1|16 2 5 -34 -37 6}}
{{Multival|legend=1| 16 2 5 -34 -37 6 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~28/25 = 193.898
[[POTE generator]]: ~28/25 = 193.898
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Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 3136/3125
Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 3136/3125


Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 37}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -40}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 15 4 7 37 }}, {{val| 0 -16 -2 -5 -40 }}]


POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.840
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.840
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Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 3584/3575
Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 3584/3575


Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 37 -29}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -40 39}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 15 4 7 37 -29 }}, {{val| 0 -16 -2 -5 -40 39 }}]


POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.829
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.829
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Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273


Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 37 -3}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -40 8}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 15 4 7 37 -3 }}, {{val| 0 -16 -2 -5 -40 8 }}]


POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.918
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.918
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Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 1375/1372
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 1375/1372


Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 11}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -9}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 15 4 7 11 }}, {{val| 0 -16 -2 -5 -9 }}]


POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.884
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.884
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Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273
Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273


Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 11 -3}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -9 8}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 15 4 7 11 -3 }}, {{val| 0 -16 -2 -5 -9 8 }}]


POTE generator: ~28/25 = 194.004
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 194.004
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Comma list: 66/65, 105/104, 121/120, 1375/1372
Comma list: 66/65, 105/104, 121/120, 1375/1372


Mapping: [{{val|1 15 4 7 11 23}}, {{val|0 -16 -2 -5 -9 -23}}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 15 4 7 11 23 }}, {{val| 0 -16 -2 -5 -9 -23 }}]


POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.698
POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.698
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2-Würschmidt, the temperament with all the same commas as Würschmidt but a generator of twice the size, is equivalent to [[skwares]] as a 2.3.7.11 temperament.
2-Würschmidt, the temperament with all the same commas as Würschmidt but a generator of twice the size, is equivalent to [[skwares]] as a 2.3.7.11 temperament.


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Revision as of 10:40, 31 July 2021

The 5-limit parent comma for the würschmidt family is 393216/390625, known as Würschmidt's comma, and named after José Würschmidt, Its monzo is [17 1 -8⟩, and flipping that yields ⟨⟨ 8 1 17 ]] for the wedgie. This tells us the generator is a classic major third, and that to get to the interval class of fifths will require eight of these. In fact, (5/4)8 × 393216/390625 = 6. 10\31, 11\34 or 21\65 are possible generators and other tunings include 96EDO, 99EDO and 164EDO. Another tuning solution is to sharpen the major third by 1/8th of a Würschmidt comma, which is to say by 1.43 cents, and thereby achieve pure fifths; this is the minimax tuning. Würschmidt is well-supplied with MOS scales, with 10, 13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 28, 31 and 34 note MOS all possibilities.

Würschmidt

(Würschmidt is sometimes spelled Wuerschmidt)

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma: 393216/390625

Mapping: [⟨1 7 3], ⟨0 -8 -1]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.799

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.040603

Music

Extensions

The second comma of the normal comma list defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Würschmidt adds [12 3 -6 -1⟩, worschmidt adds 65625/65536 = [-16 1 5 1⟩, whirrschmidt adds 4375/4374 = [-1 -7 4 1⟩ and hemiwuerschmidt adds 6144/6125 = [11 1 -3 -2⟩.

Septimal Würschmidt

Würschmidt, aside from the commas listed above, also tempers out 225/224. 31EDO or 127EDO can be used as tunings. Würschmidt has ⟨⟨ 8 1 18 -17 6 39 ]] for a wedgie. It extends naturally to an 11-limit version ⟨⟨ 8 1 18 20 … ]] which also tempers out 99/98, 176/175 and 243/242. 127EDO is again an excellent tuning for 11-limit würschmidt, as well as for minerva, the 11-limit rank three temperament tempering out 99/98 and 176/175.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 225/224, 8748/8575

Mapping: [⟨1 7 3 15], ⟨0 -8 -1 -18]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.383

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.050776

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 99/98, 176/175, 243/242

Mapping: [⟨1 7 3 15 17], ⟨0 -8 -1 -18 -20]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.447

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.024413

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 99/98, 144/143, 176/175, 275/273

Mapping: [⟨1 7 3 15 17 1], ⟨0 -8 -1 -18 -20 4]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.626

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.023593

Worseschmidt

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Commas: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 243/242

Mapping: [⟨1 7 3 15 17 22], ⟨0 -8 -1 -18 -20 -27]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.099

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.034382

Worschmidt

Worschmidt tempers out 126/125 rather than 225/224, and can use 31EDO, 34EDO, or 127EDO as a tuning. If 127 is used, note that the val is ⟨127 201 295 356] (127d) and not ⟨127 201 295 357] as with würschmidt. The wedgie now is ⟨⟨ 8 1 -13 -17 -43 -33 ]]. In practice, of course, both mappings could be used ambiguously, which might be an interesting avenue for someone to explore.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 126/125, 33075/32768

Mapping: [⟨1 7 3 -6], ⟨0 -8 -1 13]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.392

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.064614

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 126/125, 243/242, 385/384

Mapping: [⟨1 7 3 -6 17], ⟨0 -8 -1 13 -20]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.407

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.033436

Whirrschmidt

99EDO is such a good tuning for whirrschimdt that we hardly need look any farther. Unfortunately, the temperament while accurate is complex, with ⟨⟨ 8 1 52 -17 60 118 ]] for a wedgie.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 4375/4374, 393216/390625

Mapping: [⟨1 7 3 38], ⟨0 -8 -1 -52]]

POTE generator: ~5/4 = 387.881

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.086334

Hemiwürschmidt

Hemiwürschmidt (sometimes spelled Hemiwuerschmidt), which splits the major third in two and uses that for a generator, is the most important of these temperaments even with the rather large complexity for the fifth. It tempers out 3136/3125, 6144/6125 and 2401/2400. 68EDO, 99EDO and 130EDO can all be used as tunings, but 130 is not only the most accurate, it shows how hemiwürschmidt extends to a higher limit temperament, ⟨⟨ 16 2 5 40 -39 -49 -48 28 … ]].

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 2401/2400, 3136/3125

Mapping: [⟨1 15 4 7], ⟨0 -16 -2 -5]]

Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 16 2 5 -34 -37 6 ]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.898

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.020307

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 243/242, 441/440, 3136/3125

Mapping: [⟨1 15 4 7 37], ⟨0 -16 -2 -5 -40]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.840

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.021069

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 243/242, 351/350, 441/440, 3584/3575

Mapping: [⟨1 15 4 7 37 -29], ⟨0 -16 -2 -5 -40 39]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.829

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.023074

Hemithir

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273

Mapping: [⟨1 15 4 7 37 -3], ⟨0 -16 -2 -5 -40 8]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.918

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.031199

Hemiwur

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 1375/1372

Mapping: [⟨1 15 4 7 11], ⟨0 -16 -2 -5 -9]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.884

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.029270

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 121/120, 176/175, 196/195, 275/273

Mapping: [⟨1 15 4 7 11 -3], ⟨0 -16 -2 -5 -9 8]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 194.004

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.028432

Hemiwar

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 66/65, 105/104, 121/120, 1375/1372

Mapping: [⟨1 15 4 7 11 23], ⟨0 -16 -2 -5 -9 -23]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.698

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.044886

Quadrawürschmidt

This has been documented in Graham Breed's temperament finder as semihemiwürschmidt, but quadrawürschmidt arguably makes more sense.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 2401/2400, 3025/3024, 3136/3125

Mapping: [⟨1 15 4 7 24], ⟨0 -32 -4 -10 -49]]

Mapping generators: ~2, ~147/110

POTE generator: ~147/110 = 503.0404

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.0348

Semihemiwürschmidt

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 2401/2400, 3136/3125, 9801/9800

Mapping: [⟨2 14 6 9 -10], ⟨0 -16 -2 -5 25]]

Mapping generators: ~99/70, ~495/392

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.9021

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.0448

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 676/675, 1001/1000, 1716/1715, 3136/3125

Mapping: [⟨2 14 6 9 -10 25], ⟨0 -16 -2 -5 25 -26]]

POTE generator: ~28/25 = 193.9035

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.0234

Relationships to other temperaments

2-Würschmidt, the temperament with all the same commas as Würschmidt but a generator of twice the size, is equivalent to skwares as a 2.3.7.11 temperament.

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