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Why don't we ditch wart notation? Sintel has demonstrated a much clearer notation on his temperament finder. For example, if you want 13edo mapped with its flat fifth, that would be 13b in wart notation and 13[-3] in Sintel's notation. Which is clearer?

To further complicate things, let's say you wanted 26b-edo. Based on what I just said about 13b, one might assume that 26b means 26 with the fifth flattened by 1 ~~edxostep~~. That's not the case, so Sintel swoops in to save the day by using the notation 26[+3] to refer to 26b. In fact, if you want 26 with the fifth flattened by 1 edostep, that would be 26bb. What. The. F. Double. Sharp. Just call it 26[-3] like Sintel does, for goodness sakes!

To further complicate things, let's say you wanted 26b-edo. Based on what I just said about 13b, one might assume that 26b means 26 with the fifth flattened by 1 edostep. That's not the case, so Sintel swoops in to save the day by using the notation 26[+3] to refer to 26b. In fact, if you want 26 with the fifth flattened by 1 edostep, that would be 26bb. What. The. F. Double. Sharp. Just call it 26[-3] like Sintel does, for goodness sakes!

I hope my point is clear (unlike wart notation): Wart notation is bad. I hope this discussion will be able to continue and result in the END of wart notation.

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: I'd be happy to include sintel's wart notation but I'd prefer to avoid complicating the page, so I'm wondering if the "Sparse Offset Val notation" really needs to be there as I'm not aware of anyone who uses it, but then I'm also not on Facebook so... point being, wart notation is, at least for now, a consistent standard in how ppl specify non-patent vals, with everything else essentially being less standard, so it seems to deserve mention, though maybe it'd be better to link to a separate page explaining all the different wart notations, but that kinda goes back to my point about using letters as in practice it's rare that you need more than two warts for a prime, and if you're interested in an equal temperament you usually know which primes are worst and in what directions. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 16:14, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

:: I also want to point out that on pages containing temperament data, one will often find tunings like 80bbcccef in the optimal ET sequences for tedmperaments. If we used Sintel's notation, 80bbcccef becomes 80[+3, --5, -11, +13]. That's a whole lot clearer!

:: So, based off what I just said, is there any chance we can go through all the temperament data and at least put Sintel's notation alongside the regular wart notation?

:: G-d bless! [[User:MisterShafXen|MisterShafXen]] ([[User talk:MisterShafXen|talk]]) 17:18, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

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 Why don't we ditch wart notation? Sintel has demonstrated a much clearer notation on his temperament finder. For example, if you want 13edo mapped with its flat fifth, that would be 13b in wart notation and 13[-3] in Sintel's notation. Which is clearer?
-To further complicate things, let's say you wanted 26b-edo. Based on what I just said about 13b, one might assume that 26b means 26 with the fifth flattened by 1 edxostep. That's not the case, so Sintel swoops in to save the day by using the notation 26[+3] to refer to 26b. In fact, if you want 26 with the fifth flattened by 1 edostep, that would be 26bb. What. The. F. Double. Sharp. Just call it 26[-3] like Sintel does, for goodness sakes!
+To further complicate things, let's say you wanted 26b-edo. Based on what I just said about 13b, one might assume that 26b means 26 with the fifth flattened by 1 edostep. That's not the case, so Sintel swoops in to save the day by using the notation 26[+3] to refer to 26b. In fact, if you want 26 with the fifth flattened by 1 edostep, that would be 26bb. What. The. F. Double. Sharp. Just call it 26[-3] like Sintel does, for goodness sakes!
 I hope my point is clear (unlike wart notation): Wart notation is bad. I hope this discussion will be able to continue and result in the END of wart notation.
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 : I'd be happy to include sintel's wart notation but I'd prefer to avoid complicating the page, so I'm wondering if the "Sparse Offset Val notation" really needs to be there as I'm not aware of anyone who uses it, but then I'm also not on Facebook so... point being, wart notation is, at least for now, a consistent standard in how ppl specify non-patent vals, with everything else essentially being less standard, so it seems to deserve mention, though maybe it'd be better to link to a separate page explaining all the different wart notations, but that kinda goes back to my point about using letters as in practice it's rare that you need more than two warts for a prime, and if you're interested in an equal temperament you usually know which primes are worst and in what directions. --[[User:Godtone|Godtone]] ([[User talk:Godtone|talk]]) 16:14, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
+:: I also want to point out that on pages containing temperament data, one will often find tunings like 80bbcccef in the optimal ET sequences for tedmperaments. If we used Sintel's notation, 80bbcccef becomes 80[+3, --5, -11, +13]. That's a whole lot clearer!
+:: So, based off what I just said, is there any chance we can go through all the temperament data and at least put Sintel's notation alongside the regular wart notation?
+:: G-d bless! [[User:MisterShafXen|MisterShafXen]] ([[User talk:MisterShafXen|talk]]) 17:18, 9 May 2026 (UTC)