User talk:MisterShafXen

Creating new edo pages

Please remember to add a link in the EDO page when you create new edo pages. I see you've created a couple of empty edo pages. You have anything coming up to the edos you created pages for? FloraC (talk) 13:22, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

MisterShafXen, thank you for your efforts to improve the wiki.

If you have been creating pages from the “wanted pages” list, it may be best to stop doing that, and to instead work on adding more content to the already-existing pages in Category:Stubs.

I have recently added a little blurb to Xenharmonic Wiki:Conventions explaining why “wanted pages” can be misleading and what other things to do instead.

I want to reiterate that I am thankful for your efforts and appreciative that you are here. I’m just trying to help you put your enthusiasm and good will to the best use.

Kind regards,

--BudjarnLambeth (talk) 23:31, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Budjarn has a great point. So far you've created a bunch of edo pages with only infoboxes. We all wonder what you have to say about those tunings, but if you don't have anything to say yet, I'd like to ask you to do us a favor to stop creating new pages for now cuz we don't have many volunteers to fill them with real contents. FloraC (talk) 18:14, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Any chance we'll have a talk? FloraC (talk) 19:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Sure! MisterShafXen (talk) 16:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

To create an infobox

To create an infobox with the visual editor, find insert on the same line as the save changes button. Click insert → template. Enter Infobox Interval in the text box (if it's an interval page), and click insert. To create an infobox in the source editor, simply enter {{Infobox Interval}}. You may use the SandBox page to experiment with editing. FloraC (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

It doesn’t show me the insert thing, I don’t know why. MisterShafXen (talk) 13:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Here are screenshots of the process in the visual editor.

Click on the image to zoom in.

As Flora said, to experiment with editing, please use the page SandBox.

--BudjarnLambeth (talk) 03:44, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Now I understand… I am using mobile. MisterShafXen (talk) 12:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Uploading pictures

You pictures aren't properly rotated, and it's generally not great to have to click a link to see it. Why not typing them down in plain text? FloraC (talk) 14:23, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I’ve tried putting it in plain text. Someone else suggested putting pictures instead. I can’t seem to rotate it properly, it’s so annoying. MisterShafXen (talk) 14:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Notice

I received many complaints about your conduct on this wiki. Your contributions have been considered unhelpful due to a massive lack of context. We asked you to provide context to your notation to various edos like what purpose they served and what method was used. There's still no answers. I think in general you can do us a favor by using your user namespace (pages of the form User:MisterShafXen/[Title]) more. The main namespace isn't where you put your idiosyncratic stuff without explanation. More specifically we ask you to

• not create new equal tuning pages and interval pages until you have some substantial human-made contents (not machine-generated contents) to add.
• not upload handwritten pictures.
  • get some digital formatting tools.
• keep your notation solutions to your user space.

Finally, if you add links, pls add them in the proper section. Don't just carelessly put it in the intro. FloraC (talk) 20:50, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Sure! I’m still learning… I will be putting in my reasoning for my notation in the next few days. MisterShafXen (talk) 18:47, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

Notice regarding temperament pages

The established practice on the wiki is to not create pages for individual temperaments before their technical data is recorded on a family page, and in general to not create pages for individual temperaments without there being cause for a greater exploration of a temperament than is available on a family page like Escapade family. In the case of your page, Sharpquart (which has since been deleted because the temperament interpretation come up with for that generator already exists, as Chromo), you did not provide this sort of exploration. You displayed a fundamental misunderstanding of what a temperament is (by declaring a generator of "exactly 53.5 cents"), as it is explicit that temperaments are not the same thing as scale structures. If you wanted to record on the wiki a scale family generated using that generator, it would be better served in the form of a Scala file like many pages on the wiki are.

You are not obligated to understand the mathematical concepts presented on the wiki, but only if you are not to claim any one of the ideas you place on the wiki to be an instance of such a concept. You are obligated to explain what xenharmonic interest, however niche, your ideas might possess, or to express them in a way where it seems plausible that they have such interest. I understand that you may think of the wiki as being created by people doing much the same thing you are, and the preponderance of often unhelpful temperaments doesn't help to dispel such notions. However, even if the people who wrote up most of the contents of the temperament family pages were like you in mind (and I don't believe they were, the quality of their contributions notwithstanding), the current wiki holds itself to a higher standard than it once had, and all you would be doing is adding to, rather than ameliorating, the wiki's problem.

Some people believe that you should receive a temporary block on the wiki; I will not act on that on my own initiative. Therefore, consider this a warning. --Lériendil (talk) 16:15, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

To add on to Leriendil’s message: There is probably no material needing to be added on the wiki which can be added by someone without significant knowledge of xenharmonic theory (i.e. comparable to or beyond what the wiki catalogues) or significant knowledge of performance practice. hkm (talk) 19:15, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the warning. Please note that I consider myself to be an adventurous beginner on this wiki. MisterShafXen (talk) 12:54, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Formatting

Pls take some time to learn basic wiki formatting at Help: Editing. Don't burden others to finish up what you leave out like this. FloraC (talk) 14:45, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me where to find the formatting guide! MisterShafXen (talk) 12:52, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Interval page formatting

Pls use Template: Monzo to type monzos. Pls put Template: Infobox interval at the top of each interval page. FloraC (talk) 11:35, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try that!

Notability

You've created a few pages which are not considered notable enough for the wiki. You might want to read the notability guidelines. Specifically, you created pages about very complex intervals (with high prime limit or large numerator/denominator) that are also large enough (more than one cent at that complexity) that they aren't useful for tempering out. It's true that there are more complex intervals documented on the wiki, like 393216/390625, but these intervals are notable because tempering them out leads to useful structures with a somewhat small prime limit; in the notability guidelines, we would consider them notable by community content, theoretical value, or practical application.

You've also created at least one page for an equal division of an interval other than the octave. These pages could be fine as long as there is interesting theory behind those divisions--perhaps they represent just intonation very accurately, or they are used in non-Western musical cultures. The page you created, 8ed6 happened to have a neat relation to the wuerschmidt temperament, so there was some interesting theory behind that division. As a result, the page was marked as niche rather than being deleted. But this was something of a lucky outcome for you--if there was no connection to wuerschmidt, the page might have been deleted due to not fitting the notability guidelines.

I see that you've joined the XA Discord--if you're wondering whether a page you're considering creating meets notability guidelines, feel free to ask in the #wiki channel. You can also create any page you want on your userspace. --hkm (talk) 20:27, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for making me aware. MisterShafXen (talk) 22:09, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

I want to clarify that the following is not really true:

You can also create any page you want on your userspace.

While the guidelines are not as strictly enforced on userspace pages, they are still part of this wiki and should contain useful information.

Creating many pages in your userspace which do not follow the notability guidelines can be perceived as spam.

– Sintel🎏 (talk) 18:10, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. MisterShafXen (talk) 18:56, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Duplicate pages

Hi MisterShafXen,

I noticed you create pages such as User:MisterShafXen/8edo, which are essentially reduced versions of their equivalent from the main namespace, such as 8edo. I know you say you like to develop your own theory, but if you're going to just duplicate information without any added value, it is likely that the admins will delete the pages without asking upfront. I thought I'd point it out in case you didn't notice, either.

The Xen Wiki is already a mess as it is already, and while user pages don't interfere as much in most viewers' experience, it nonetheless adds noise to the whole. If you want to experiment with templates, or browse the "stats" of various tunings, I suggest you create a userspace sandbox (i.e. User:MisterShafXen/Sandbox) and make use of the "preview" feature, if you use the source editor, to display the page without needing to save it, if you don't need to keep it on the long term (e.g. if it's a tuning system you regularly use to make music). Although the website can probably handle hundreds of additional pages without any technical issue, it's more of a problem for the admins (like me), because that means additional maintenance work, and with already over 20,000 pages, it's difficult to keep everything tidy and it is extremely time-consuming.

If you continue to create numerous pages that admins are going to delete afterwards anyway, you might receive an official warning from admins. The userspace has more freedom than the main namespace, but it's not free-for-all either. Thank you for your consideration. --Fredg999 (talk) 17:52, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion! I will definitely take it into consideration. MisterShafXen (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2025 (UTC)