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'''Quasisuper''' is an alternative extension of [[2.3.7 subgroup|2.3.7]] [[archy]] to prime [[5/1|5]]. This extension maps prime 5 to -13 [[generator]]s, as a double-diminished fifth (C–G𝄫). This extension works in the range [[17edo|17c-edo]] to [[22edo|22-edo]]. In contrast, full 7-limit [[superpyth]] does not work in this range, as tunings with a flatter fifth than 22edo swap the sizes of [[7/5]] and [[10/7]]. This extension may be preferred over superpyth due to having a softer [[5L 2s|diatonic]] scale, with a small step of around 60 [[cent]]s compared to about 50 cents in regular 7-limit superpyth. The best extension to the [[11-limit]], '''quasisupra''', uses the [[supra]] mapping of prime [[11/1|11]] to -6 generators, as a diminished fifth (C–G♭). This tempers out [[99/98]] as in supra, as well as [[121/120]] and [[540/539]].
'''Quasisuper''' is an alternative [[extension]] of the [[archy]] [[chain of fifths]] to [[superpyth]]. Like superpyth, it is a [[regular temperament|temperament]] generated by a perfect fifth, where stacking two of them reaches the interval of [[8/7]][[~]][[9/8]], [[tempering out]] [[64/63]]. The difference is that this extension maps [[prime interval|prime]] [[5/1|5]] to -13 [[generator]]s, as a double-diminished fifth (C–G𝄫). This extension works in the range [[17edo|17c-edo]] to [[22edo|22-edo]]. In contrast, full 7-limit [[superpyth]] does not work in this range, as tunings with a flatter fifth than 22edo swap the sizes of [[7/5]] and [[10/7]]. This extension may be preferred over superpyth due to having a softer [[5L 2s|diatonic]] scale, with a small step of around 60 [[cent]]s compared to about 50 cents in regular 7-limit superpyth.  
 
The best extension to the [[11-limit]], '''quasisupra''', uses the [[supra]] mapping of prime [[11/1|11]] to -6 generators, as a diminished fifth (C–G♭). This tempers out [[99/98]] as in supra, as well as [[121/120]] and [[540/539]].
 
For technical data see [[Archytas clan #Quasisuper]].


For technical data see [[Archytas clan#Quasisuper]].
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== Interval chain ==
== Interval chain ==
In the following table, odd harmonics and subharmonics 1–15 are in '''bold'''.
In the following table, odd harmonics and subharmonics 1–11 are in '''bold'''.


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2"
|+ style="font-size: 105%" | Intervals of quasisupra (11-limit)
! #
! Generators
! Cents*
! Cents*
! Intervals
! Approximate ratios
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|-
| 0
| 0
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| 5
| 5
| 1141.6
| 1141.6
| 27/14, 21/11
| 21/11, 27/14
|-
|-
| 6
| 6
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| 7
| 7
| 158.2
| 158.2
| 12/11, 11/10
| 11/10, 12/11
|-
|-
| 8
| 8
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| 12
| 12
| 99.8
| 99.8
| '''16/15'''
| 16/15
|-
|-
| 13
| 13
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== Tunings ==
== Tunings ==
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[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]]
[[Category:Rank-2 temperaments]]
[[Category:Archytas clan]]
[[Category:Archytas clan]]
[[Category:Nuwell temperaments]]
[[Category:Nuwell temperaments]]

Revision as of 11:38, 31 December 2025

Lua error in Module:Infobox_regtemp at line 138: attempt to perform arithmetic on local 'generator_size' (a nil value). Quasisuper is an alternative extension of the archy chain of fifths to superpyth. Like superpyth, it is a temperament generated by a perfect fifth, where stacking two of them reaches the interval of 8/7~9/8, tempering out 64/63. The difference is that this extension maps prime 5 to -13 generators, as a double-diminished fifth (C–G𝄫). This extension works in the range 17c-edo to 22-edo. In contrast, full 7-limit superpyth does not work in this range, as tunings with a flatter fifth than 22edo swap the sizes of 7/5 and 10/7. This extension may be preferred over superpyth due to having a softer diatonic scale, with a small step of around 60 cents compared to about 50 cents in regular 7-limit superpyth.

The best extension to the 11-limit, quasisupra, uses the supra mapping of prime 11 to -6 generators, as a diminished fifth (C–G♭). This tempers out 99/98 as in supra, as well as 121/120 and 540/539.

For technical data see Archytas clan #Quasisuper.

Interval chain

In the following table, odd harmonics and subharmonics 1–11 are in bold.

# Cents* Approximate ratios
0 0.0 1/1
1 708.3 3/2
2 216.6 8/7, 9/8
3 925.0 12/7
4 433.3 9/7, 14/11
5 1141.6 21/11, 27/14
6 649.9 16/11, 22/15
7 158.2 11/10, 12/11
8 866.6 18/11
9 374.9 27/22, 56/45
10 1083.2 28/15
11 591.5 7/5
12 99.8 16/15
13 808.2 8/5
14 316.5 6/5
15 1024.8 9/5
16 533.1 27/20
17 41.4 81/80, 56/55

* in 11-limit CWE tuning, octave reduced

Tunings

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