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* [[University temperament|University]] (''n'' = -1.5)
* [[University temperament|University]] (''n'' = -1.5)
* [[Uncle]] (''n'' = -0.5)
* [[Uncle]] (''n'' = -0.5)
* 5 & 32p (''n'' = 0.5)
* 5 & 32 (''n'' = 0.5)
* 5 & 56 (''n'' = 1.5)
* 5 & 56 (''n'' = 1.5)
* Counterpental (''n'' = 2.5)
* Counterpental (''n'' = 2.5)
* [[Septiquarter]] (''n'' = 3.5)
* [[Septiquarter]] (''n'' = 3.5)
* 2513 & 559 (''n'' = 4.2)
* 2513 & 559 (''n'' = 4.2)
* 5 & 118 (''n'' = 4.5)
* 5 & 118 (''n'' = 4.5)
* 5 & 137 (''n'' = 5.5)


== Hemiseven (5-limit) ==
== Hemiseven (5-limit) ==
{{See also|Gamelismic clan #Hemiseven}}


Comma: {{Monzo|32 -29 6}}
Comma: {{Monzo|32 -29 6}}


POTE generator: 483.2474 cents
Mapping: [{{val|1 4 14}}, {{val|0 -6 -29}}]


Map: [<1 4 14|, <0 -6 -29|]
POTE generator: ~320/243 = 483.2474 cents


EDOs: {{EDOs| 5, 10c, 67c, 72, 77, 82c, 139c, 144, 149, 154 }}
Vals: {{Val list| 5, 62c, 67c, 72, 149, 221, 370, 591b, 961bb }}
 
Badness: 0.720465


[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=72_5&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 72]
[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=72_5&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 72]


== 5 & 32p ==
== Sasayo (5 & 32) ==
Comma: {{Monzo|20 -14 1}} = 5242880/4782969


Comma: {{Monzo|20 -14 1}} (5242880/4782969)
Mapping: [{{val|1 2 8}}, {{val|0 -1 -14}}]


POTE generator: ~4/3 = 486.1713 cents
POTE generator: ~4/3 = 486.1713 cents


Map: [<1 2 8|, <0 -1 -14|]
Vals: {{Val list| 5, 27c, 32, 37, 79bc, 116bbc }}


EDOs: {{EDOs| 5, 32, 37, 42 }}
Badness: 0.795243


[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=5_32p&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 32p]
[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=5_32p&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 32p]


== 5 & 56 ==
== Trisatriyo (5 & 56) ==
Comma: {{Monzo|28 -22 3}} = 33554432000/31381059609


Comma: {{Monzo|28 -22 3}} (33554432000/31381059609)
Mapping: [{{val|1 1 -2}}, {{val|0 3 22}}]


POTE generator: 235.8673 cents
POTE generator: ~2560/2187 = 235.8673 cents


Map: [<1 1 -2|, <0 3 22|]
Vals: {{Val list| 5, 56, 61 }}


EDOs: {{EDOs| 5, 56, 61 }}
Badness: 1.323443


[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=5_56&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 56]
[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=5_56&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 56]


== Counterpental ==
== Counterpental ==
Comma: {{Monzo|36 -30 5}}


Comma: {{Monzo|36 -30 5}}
Mapping: [{{val|5 8 12}}, {{val|0 -1 -6}}]


POTE generator: 15.4278 cents
POTE generator: 15.4278 cents


Map: [<5 8 12|, <0 -1 -6|]
Vals: {{Val list| 5, 75, 80 }}


EDOs: {{EDOs| 5, 75, 80 }}
Badness: 1.500224


[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=5_75&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 75]
[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=5_75&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 75]


== Septiquarter (5-limit) ==
== Septiquarter (5-limit) ==
{{See also|Hemifamity temperaments #Septiquarter}}


Comma: {{Monzo|44 -38 7}}
Comma: {{Monzo|44 -38 7}}


POTE generator: 242.4567 cents
Mapping: [{{val|1 3 10}}, {{val|0 -7 -38}}]
 
POTE generator: ~204800/177147 = 242.4567 cents


Map: [<1 3 10|, <0 -7 -38|]
Vals: {{Val list| 5, 89c, 94, 99, 193, 292, 391 }}


EDOs: {{EDOs| 5, 94, 99, 193, 198, 292, 297 }}
Badness: 0.971284


[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=99_94&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 99 & 94]
[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=99_94&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 99 & 94]


== 2513 & 559 ==
== 559 & 2513 ==
Comma: {{Monzo|-124 109 -21}}


Comma: {{Monzo|-124 109 -21}}
Mapping: [{{val|1 10 46}}, {{val|0 -21 -109}}]
 
POTE generator: ~3355443200000/2541865828329 = 480.8595 cents
 
Vals: {{Val list| 5, 267c, 272c, 277, 559, 1395, 1954, 2513, 40767, 43280, 45793, 48306, 50819, 53332, 55845, 58358, 60871, 63384, 65897, 68410, 70923, 73436, 75949, 78462 }}
 
Badness: 0.134523
 
[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=2513_559&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 2513 & 559]
 
== Quinla-tritrigu (5 & 118) ==
Comma: {{Monzo|-52 46 -9}}


POTE generator: 480.8595 cents
Mapping: [{{val|1 -2 -16}}, {{val|0 9 46}}]


Map: [<1 10 46|, <0 -21 -109|]
POTE generator: ~320/243 = 477.9609 cents


EDOs: {{EDOs| 559, 1118, 1395, 1954, 2513, 3072, 3631, 4467, 5026, 5585 }}
Vals: {{Val list| 5, 108c, 113, 118, 1057, 1175, 1293, 1411, 1529, 1647, 1765, 1883, 2001b, 3884b }}


[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=2513_559&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 2153 & 559]
Badness: 0.617683


== 5 & 137 ==
== Tribilalegu (5 & 137) ==
Comma: {{Monzo|-60 54 -11}}


Comma: {{Monzo|60 -54 11}}
Mapping: [{{val|1 6 24}}, {{val|0 -11 -54}}]


POTE generator: 481.7421 cents
POTE generator: ~320/243 = 481.7421 cents


Map: [<1 6 24|, <0 -11 -54|]
Vals: {{Val list| 5, 127c, 132, 137, 553, 690b, 827b, 964b }}


EDOs: {{EDOs| 5, 132, 137, 142, 274, 279 }}
Badness: 3.620981


[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=5_137&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 137]
[http://x31eq.com/cgi-bin/rt.cgi?ets=5_137&limit=5 The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 137]

Revision as of 01:00, 23 May 2021

The syntonic-diatonic equivalence continuum is a continuum of temperaments which equate a number of syntonic commas (81/80) with the limma (256/243).

All temperaments in the continuum satisfy (81/80)n ~ 256/243. Varying n results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to meantone as n approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite n, the continuum describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 5edo (due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers both commas and thus tempers all combinations of them). The just value of n is 4.1952…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate ones.

256/243 has the advantage of being the characteristic 3-limit comma tempered out in 5edo. For each case, we notice that n equals the order of harmonic 5 in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of generators to obtain a harmonic 3 in the MOS scale. However, if we let k = n + 1 (meaning n = k - 1) so that k = 0 means n = -1, k = 1 means n = 0, etc. then the continuum corresponds to (81/80)k = 16/15, which might be a preferred way of conceptualising it because:

  • 16/15 is the diatonic semitone, notable in the 5-limit as the difference between 4/3 and 5/4, so this shifted continuum could also logically be termed the "syntonic-diatonic equivalence continuum". This means that at k = 0, 4/3 and 5/4 are mapped to the same interval while 81/80 becomes independent of 16/15 (meaning 81/80 may or may not be tempered) because the relation becomes (81/80)^0 = 1/1 = 16/15.
  • k = 1 and upwards (up to a point) represent temperaments with (the potential for) reasonably good accuracy as equating at least one 81/80 with 16/15 seems like a good lower bound for a temperament intended to model JI. A good upper bound might be rodan (k = 4), with the only exception being meantone (n = k = (unsigned) infinity). (Temperaments corresponding to k = 0, -1, -2 are comparatively low-accuracy to the point of developing various intriguing structures and consequences.)
  • 16/15 is the simplest ratio to be tempered in the continuum.
Temperaments in the continuum
k = n + 1 n = k − 1 Temperament Comma
Ratio Monzo
-3 -4 Laquadgu 177147/160000 [-8 11 -4
-2 -3 Laconic 2187/2000 [-4 7 -3
-1 -2 Bug 27/25 [0 3 -2
0 -1 Father 16/15 [4 -1 -1
1 0 Blackwood 256/243 [8 -5
2 1 Superpyth 20480/19683 [12 -9 1
3 2 Immunity 1638400/1594323 [16 -13 2
4 3 Rodan 131072000/129140163 [20 -17 3
5 4 Vulture 10485760000/10460353203 [24 -21 4
6 5 Pental [-28 25 -5
7 6 Hemiseven [-32 29 -6
Meantone 81/80 [-4 4 -1

Examples of temperaments with fractional values of n:

  • University (n = -1.5)
  • Uncle (n = -0.5)
  • 5 & 32 (n = 0.5)
  • 5 & 56 (n = 1.5)
  • Counterpental (n = 2.5)
  • Septiquarter (n = 3.5)
  • 2513 & 559 (n = 4.2)
  • 5 & 118 (n = 4.5)
  • 5 & 137 (n = 5.5)

Hemiseven (5-limit)

Comma: [32 -29 6

Mapping: [1 4 14], 0 -6 -29]]

POTE generator: ~320/243 = 483.2474 cents

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.720465

The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 72

Sasayo (5 & 32)

Comma: [20 -14 1 = 5242880/4782969

Mapping: [1 2 8], 0 -1 -14]]

POTE generator: ~4/3 = 486.1713 cents

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.795243

The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 32p

Trisatriyo (5 & 56)

Comma: [28 -22 3 = 33554432000/31381059609

Mapping: [1 1 -2], 0 3 22]]

POTE generator: ~2560/2187 = 235.8673 cents

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 1.323443

The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 56

Counterpental

Comma: [36 -30 5

Mapping: [5 8 12], 0 -1 -6]]

POTE generator: 15.4278 cents

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 1.500224

The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 75

Septiquarter (5-limit)

Comma: [44 -38 7

Mapping: [1 3 10], 0 -7 -38]]

POTE generator: ~204800/177147 = 242.4567 cents

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.971284

The temperament finder - 5-limit 99 & 94

559 & 2513

Comma: [-124 109 -21

Mapping: [1 10 46], 0 -21 -109]]

POTE generator: ~3355443200000/2541865828329 = 480.8595 cents

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.134523

The temperament finder - 5-limit 2513 & 559

Quinla-tritrigu (5 & 118)

Comma: [-52 46 -9

Mapping: [1 -2 -16], 0 9 46]]

POTE generator: ~320/243 = 477.9609 cents

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.617683

Tribilalegu (5 & 137)

Comma: [-60 54 -11

Mapping: [1 6 24], 0 -11 -54]]

POTE generator: ~320/243 = 481.7421 cents

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 3.620981

The temperament finder - 5-limit 5 & 137