User talk:PiotrGrochowski: Difference between revisions

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These pages are an (in my opinion) outdated concept, introduces in the Wikispaces era, to compensate the lack of real user pages. [[User:Carl Lumma]] and [[User:Xenwolf|I (Xenwolf)]] were the only members that made use of it, so it seems that [[Editor PiotrGrochowski]] would better redirect to your user page again. If there will be a [[Help:User pages|help page about user pages]], the [[Editor yourName]] will most likely be transformed into a redirect to that help page. But: What do you think about this topic? Best --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

== Status of [[Ups and Downs Notation]], and personal attacks in edit summaries ==

I'm going to restore [[Ups and Downs Notation]] back to the main namespace. I don't like to revert people's actions without a thorough explanation, so here goes: I moved articles like [[15edo-b]], [[Wikifuture-a]], etc. into user namespaces since I believed the '''intent''' of the people creating them was as drafts or sandboxes, and not permanent articles meant to live on the wiki indefinitely. These drafts should be stored in the User namespace since they're not meant as final, published articles, but instead eventually meant to replace (or be merged into) the main articles at [[15edo]], [[Wikifuture]]. Importantly, I believed the authors of these pages would likely not be angry that I moved them, because they can keep working on them with basically no interruption, and it aligns with what they want to do. (I can't be '''sure''' of that, but it was my sincere belief.)

Now, for [[Ups and Downs Notation]] the story seems quite different to me. I think it was on the old wiki for a while, and on this new wiki it's always been on the main namespace with no indication that it's any kind of draft or sandbox. Moving it to a user subpage might send the unfriendly message that that user's contributions are not welcome here, and they're going to be marginalized or outcast. Personal attacks like "K**e curse" in edit summaries certainly do nothing to help this, and I consider them uncivil.

Instead of doing things like this, I encourage you to edit articles directly. If you wanted to, I don't think it would be unwelcome to add a "Criticism" section or otherwise change the article to reflect that much of the content is not the consensus of all editors here. As long as we're civil to each other and have the common goal of improving articles, I think even people with widely differing opinions can work together to improve the wiki. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] ([[User talk:Keenan Pepper|talk]]) 17:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

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 These pages are an (in my opinion) outdated concept, introduces in the Wikispaces era, to compensate the lack of real user pages. [[User:Carl Lumma]] and [[User:Xenwolf|I (Xenwolf)]] were the only members that made use of it, so it seems that [[Editor PiotrGrochowski]] would better redirect to your user page again. If there will be a [[Help:User pages|help page about user pages]], the [[Editor yourName]] will most likely be transformed into a redirect to that help page. But: What do you think about this topic? Best --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 16:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
+== Status of [[Ups and Downs Notation]], and personal attacks in edit summaries ==
+I'm going to restore [[Ups and Downs Notation]] back to the main namespace. I don't like to revert people's actions without a thorough explanation, so here goes: I moved articles like [[15edo-b]], [[Wikifuture-a]], etc. into user namespaces since I believed the '''intent''' of the people creating them was as drafts or sandboxes, and not permanent articles meant to live on the wiki indefinitely. These drafts should be stored in the User namespace since they're not meant as final, published articles, but instead eventually meant to replace (or be merged into) the main articles at [[15edo]], [[Wikifuture]]. Importantly, I believed the authors of these pages would likely not be angry that I moved them, because they can keep working on them with basically no interruption, and it aligns with what they want to do. (I can't be '''sure''' of that, but it was my sincere belief.)
+Now, for [[Ups and Downs Notation]] the story seems quite different to me. I think it was on the old wiki for a while, and on this new wiki it's always been on the main namespace with no indication that it's any kind of draft or sandbox. Moving it to a user subpage might send the unfriendly message that that user's contributions are not welcome here, and they're going to be marginalized or outcast. Personal attacks like "K**e curse" in edit summaries certainly do nothing to help this, and I consider them uncivil.
+Instead of doing things like this, I encourage you to edit articles directly. If you wanted to, I don't think it would be unwelcome to add a "Criticism" section or otherwise change the article to reflect that much of the content is not the consensus of all editors here. As long as we're civil to each other and have the common goal of improving articles, I think even people with widely differing opinions can work together to improve the wiki. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] ([[User talk:Keenan Pepper|talk]]) 17:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)