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The '''Würschmidt comma''' ({{monzo| 17 1 -8 }} = '''393216/390625''') is a [[small comma|small]] [[5-limit]] [[comma]] of 11.4 [[cent]]s. | The '''Würschmidt comma''' ({{monzo| 17 1 -8 }} = '''393216/390625''') is a [[small comma|small]] [[5-limit]] [[comma]] of 11.4 [[cent]]s. It is the difference between an [[octave reduction|octave-reduced]] stack of eight [[5/4|classical major thirds]] and a [[3/2|perfect fifth]]: (5/4)<sup>8</sup>/6, which comes from 5/4 being a convergent in the continued fraction of <math>\sqrt[8]{6}</math>. | ||
In terms of commas, it is the difference between: | |||
* | * a [[syntonic comma]] and a [[semicomma]]: ([[81/80]])/([[2109375/2097152]]); tempering out both leads to [[31edo]]. | ||
* a [[128/125|diesis]] and a [[magic comma]]: ([[128/125]])/([[3125/3072]]); tempering out both leads to the trivial tuning [[3edo]]. | |||
* | * two dieses and a [[25/24|classic chromatic semitone]]: ([[128/125]])<sup>2</sup>/([[25/24]]); tempering out both leads to 3edo. | ||
* two | * two classic diatonic semitones and three classic chromatic semitones: ([[16/15]])<sup>2</sup>/([[25/24]])<sup>3</sup>; tempering out both leads to 3edo. | ||
* two | * a [[diaschisma]] and a [[15625/15552|kleisma]]: ([[2048/2025]])/([[15625/15552]]); tempering out both leads to [[34edo]]. | ||
* two diaschismas and a [[tetracot comma]]: ([[2048/2025]])<sup>2</sup>/([[20000/19683]]); tempering out both also leads to 34edo. | |||
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== Temperaments == | |||
Tempering out this comma leads to the [[würschmidt family]] of temperaments. In any nontrivial tuning (that is, not 3edo), there is an exact neutral third between 5/4 and 6/5, which usually represents ~[[11/9]] (or more accurately [[49/40]], tempering out [[2401/2400]] instead of or in addition to [[243/242]]). | |||
Notice that [[magic]] is a simpler analogue of würschmidt, reaching [[3/1]] with ([[5/4]])<sup>5</sup> which exceeds 3/1 by the magic comma, and a even simpler analogue of würschmidt is [[dicot]], where [[3/2]] is reached by ([[5/4]])<sup>2</sup>. More interesting is that there is a lower-accuracy but more complex analogue of würschmidt if we look at the pattern; the powers of [[5/4]] go 2 (dicot), 5 (magic), 8 (würschmidt), corresponding to increasingly sharp tunings of 5 where each additional three 5's represent a lowering of [[25/16]] by another [[128/125]]; finally, at ([[5/4]])<sup>11</sup> / ([[12/1]]), we get [[magus]], a sharp-major-third analogue of Würschmidt. | Notice that [[magic]] is a simpler analogue of würschmidt, reaching [[3/1]] with ([[5/4]])<sup>5</sup> which exceeds 3/1 by the magic comma, and a even simpler analogue of würschmidt is [[dicot]], where [[3/2]] is reached by ([[5/4]])<sup>2</sup>. More interesting is that there is a lower-accuracy but more complex analogue of würschmidt if we look at the pattern; the powers of [[5/4]] go 2 (dicot), 5 (magic), 8 (würschmidt), corresponding to increasingly sharp tunings of 5 where each additional three 5's represent a lowering of [[25/16]] by another [[128/125]]; finally, at ([[5/4]])<sup>11</sup> / ([[12/1]]), we get [[magus]], a sharp-major-third analogue of Würschmidt. | ||
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The Würschmidt comma ([17 1 -8⟩ = 393216/390625) is a small 5-limit comma of 11.4 cents. It is the difference between an octave-reduced stack of eight classical major thirds and a perfect fifth: (5/4)8/6, which comes from 5/4 being a convergent in the continued fraction of [math]\displaystyle{ \sqrt[8]{6} }[/math].
In terms of commas, it is the difference between:
- a syntonic comma and a semicomma: (81/80)/(2109375/2097152); tempering out both leads to 31edo.
- a diesis and a magic comma: (128/125)/(3125/3072); tempering out both leads to the trivial tuning 3edo.
- two dieses and a classic chromatic semitone: (128/125)2/(25/24); tempering out both leads to 3edo.
- two classic diatonic semitones and three classic chromatic semitones: (16/15)2/(25/24)3; tempering out both leads to 3edo.
- a diaschisma and a kleisma: (2048/2025)/(15625/15552); tempering out both leads to 34edo.
- two diaschismas and a tetracot comma: (2048/2025)2/(20000/19683); tempering out both also leads to 34edo.
Temperaments
Tempering out this comma leads to the würschmidt family of temperaments. In any nontrivial tuning (that is, not 3edo), there is an exact neutral third between 5/4 and 6/5, which usually represents ~11/9 (or more accurately 49/40, tempering out 2401/2400 instead of or in addition to 243/242).
Notice that magic is a simpler analogue of würschmidt, reaching 3/1 with (5/4)5 which exceeds 3/1 by the magic comma, and a even simpler analogue of würschmidt is dicot, where 3/2 is reached by (5/4)2. More interesting is that there is a lower-accuracy but more complex analogue of würschmidt if we look at the pattern; the powers of 5/4 go 2 (dicot), 5 (magic), 8 (würschmidt), corresponding to increasingly sharp tunings of 5 where each additional three 5's represent a lowering of 25/16 by another 128/125; finally, at (5/4)11 / (12/1), we get magus, a sharp-major-third analogue of Würschmidt.