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{{Infobox Interval
| Name = al-Farabi quarter tone, undecimal quarter tone, undecimal comma, Alpharabian parachroma, Alpharabian ultraprime
| Name = al-Farabi quarter tone, undecimal quarter tone, io comma, Alpharabian parachroma, Alpharabian ultraprime
| Color name = 1o1, ilo unison
| Color name = 1o1, ilo unison
| Sound = jid_33_32_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
| Sound = jid_33_32_pluck_adu_dr220.mp3
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'''33/32''', the '''al-Farabi quarter tone'''<ref>The name goes back to Abu Nasr Al-Farabi (in Western reception also Alpharabius), see [[Wikipedia: Al-Farabi]]. </ref>, '''undecimal quarter tone''', or '''undecimal comma''', is a [[superparticular]] [[ratio]] which differs by a [[385/384|keenanisma (385/384)]], from the [[36/35|septimal quarter tone (36/35)]]. Raising a just [[4/3|perfect fourth (4/3)]] by the al-Farabi quarter-tone leads to the [[11/8|undecimal superfourth (11/8)]]. Raising it instead by 36/35 leads to the [[48/35|septimal superfourth (48/35)]] which approximates 11/8.  Apart from this, it is also the interval between [[32/27]] and [[11/9]], and between [[9/8]] and [[12/11]].
'''33/32''', the '''al-Farabi quarter tone'''<ref group="note">The name goes back to Abu Nasr Al-Farabi (in Western reception also Alpharabius), see [[Wikipedia: Al-Farabi]].</ref>, '''undecimal quarter tone''', or '''undecimal formal comma''', is a [[superparticular]] [[ratio]] which differs by a [[385/384|keenanisma (385/384)]], from the [[36/35|septimal quarter tone (36/35)]]. Raising a just [[4/3|perfect fourth (4/3)]] by the al-Farabi quarter-tone leads to the [[11/8|undecimal superfourth (11/8)]]. Raising it instead by 36/35 leads to the [[48/35|septimal superfourth (48/35)]] which approximates 11/8.  Apart from this, it is also the interval between [[32/27]] and [[11/9]], and between [[9/8]] and [[12/11]].


Because of its close proximity to [[28/27]], from which it differs only by [[Pentacircle comma|896/891]], one could reasonably argue that 33/32 is the undecimal counterpart to 28/27 in a way, particularly if treated as an interval in its own right.  However, despite this, 33/32 generally has properties more akin to a chromatic interval than to anything resembling a diatonic interval.  In addition, 33/32 could arguably have been used as a melodic interval in the Greek Enharmonic Genus, and if so, there are several possibilities for the resulting [[tetrachord]]. The most obvious of these possibilities would be to include 32:33:34 within the interval of a perfect fourth, in which case this ancient Greek scale can be approximated in [[22edo]] and [[24edo]], with the comma 1089/1088 being tempered out so that 33/32 and 34/33 are equated.  Another possibility, however, is that the semitone was [[16/15]], which, according to [[Wikipedia: Genus (music)|Wikipedia]], is indirectly attested to in the writings of Ptolemy, and thus, if 33/32 was in fact used, it would have been paired with [[512/495]].
Because of its close proximity to [[28/27]], from which it differs only by [[Pentacircle comma|896/891]], one could reasonably argue that 33/32 is the [[undecimal]] counterpart to 28/27 in a way, particularly if treated as an interval in its own right.  However, despite this, 33/32 generally has properties more akin to a chromatic interval than to anything resembling a diatonic interval.  In addition, 33/32 could arguably have been used as a melodic interval in the Greek Enharmonic Genus, and if so, there are several possibilities for the resulting [[tetrachord]]. The most obvious of these possibilities would be to include 32:33:34 within the interval of a perfect fourth, in which case this [[ancient Greek]] scale can be approximated in [[22edo]] and [[24edo]], with the comma [[1089/1088]] being tempered out so that 33/32 and [[34/33]] are equated.  Another possibility, however, is that the semitone was [[16/15]], which, according to [[Wikipedia: Genus (music)|Wikipedia]], is indirectly attested to in the writings of [[Ptolemy]], and thus, if 33/32 was in fact used, it would have been paired with [[512/495]].  


The interval 33/32 is significant in [[Functional Just System]] and [[Helmholtz-Ellis notation]] as the undecimal formal comma which translates a Pythagorean interval to a nearby undecimal interval. [[Ben Johnston's notation]] denotes this interval with ↑, and its reciprocal as ↓. Tempering out this interval in the 2.3.11 subgroup results in the [[No-fives_subgroup_temperaments#Io_aka_undecimal|Io]] temperament, generated by a flat fifth ([[7edo]] and [[26edo]] being good tunings) which represents both [[3/2]] and [[16/11]]. However, it should be noted that in some significant respects, treating 33/32 as a comma rather than as an important musical interval in its own right sells it short, and results in the failure to correctly define the properties of certain intervals. Namely, a stack of two 33/32 intervals equals [[1089/1024]], a type of chromatic semitone that has [[128/121]] as its diatonic counterpart.  Furthermore, 33/32 is one of two distinct 11-limit quartertone intervals required to add up to a whole tone, with [[4096/3993]] being the other specifically, adding 4096/3993 to a stack of three 33/32 quartertones yields [[9/8]].  In addition to all this, 33/32 finds a special place in [[Alpharabian tuning]] and it is from this area of microtonal theory, among a select few others, that 33/32 acquires the names "'''Alpharabian parachroma'''" and "'''Alpharabian ultraprime'''", names that at this point are only used in said theoretical contexts. While many may be accustomed to thinking of 33/32 and [[729/704]] as "semiaugmented primes", this analysis is only completely accurate when [[243/242]] is tempered out.
It should be noted that in some significant respects, treating 33/32 as a comma rather than as an important musical interval in its own right sells it short, and results in the failure to correctly define the properties of certain intervals. Namely, a stack of two 33/32 intervals equals [[1089/1024]], a type of chromatic semitone that has [[128/121]] as its diatonic counterpart.  Furthermore, 33/32 is one of two distinct 11-limit quartertone intervals required to add up to a whole tone, with [[4096/3993]] being the other&mdash;specifically, adding 4096/3993 to a stack of three 33/32 quartertones yields [[9/8]].  In addition to all this, 33/32 finds a special place in [[Alpharabian tuning]] and it is from this area of microtonal theory, among a select few others, that 33/32 acquires the names "'''Alpharabian parachroma'''" and "'''Alpharabian ultraprime'''", names that at this point are only used in said theoretical contexts. While many may be accustomed to thinking of 33/32 and [[729/704]] as "semiaugmented primes", this analysis is only completely accurate when [[243/242]] is tempered out.
 
== Temperaments ==
If treated as a comma to be tempered out in the 2.3.11 [[subgroup]], it results in the [[no-fives subgroup temperaments #Io|io]] temperament, giving rise to the name '''io comma'''. The temperament is generated by a flat fifth ([[7edo]] and [[26edo]] being good tunings) which represents both [[3/2]] and [[16/11]].
 
== Interval chain ==
Intervals with excellent approximation in this interval chain are: 7/6 (5), 20/13 (14), 18/11 (16). Other intervals with good approximation are: 6/5, 7/5, 9/5, 13/7, 13/9, 11/10, 19/12, 17/16, 17/15, 16/15.
 
{| class="wikitable"
|+ [[Interval chain]] generated by 33/32
! #
! [[Cent]]s
! Approximated [[ratio]]s
! Associated [[comma]]s
|-
| 1
| 53.3
| [[36/35]] (-4.5{{c}})<br>33/32
| [[385/384]] (keenanisma)<br>&mdash;
|-
| 2
| 106.5
| [[1089/1024]]<br>[[16/15]] (+5.2{{c}})
| &mdash;<br>[[16384/16335]] (semiporwellisma)
|-
| 3
| 159.8
| [[12/11]] (-9.2{{c}})<br>[[35/32]] (-4.7{{c}})<br>[[11/10]] (+5.2{{c}})
| [[Alpharabian comma]]<br>[[35937/35840]]<br>[[16384/16335]] (semiporwellisma)
|-
| 4
| 213.1
| [[9/8]] (-9.2{{c}})<br>[[25/22]] (+8.2{{c}})
| [[Alpharabian comma]]<br>[[13107200/13045131]]
|-
| 5
| 266.4
| [[7/6]] (-0.5{{c}})
| [[Quartisma]]
|-
| ...
|
|
|
|-
| 14
| 745.8
| [[20/13]] (+0.04{{c}})
|
|-
| 15
| 799.1
| ...
|
|-
| 16
| 852.4
| [[18/11]] (-0.2{{c}})
|
|}
 
{{todo|complete table|inline=1}}


== Approximation ==
== Approximation ==
[[22edo]] and [[23edo]]'s step sizes are good, albeit in[[consistent]] approximations of this interval. Since equal-step tuning of 33/32 is roughly equivalent to 22.5edo, 2 steps of [[45edo]] represent the interval with great accuracy. [[46edo]] inherits mapping from 23edo and does it consistently.  
[[22edo]] and [[23edo]]'s step sizes are good, albeit in[[consistent]] approximations of this interval. Since equal-step tuning of 33/32 is roughly equivalent to 22.5edo, 2 steps of [[45edo]] represent the interval with great accuracy. [[46edo]] inherits mapping from 23edo and does it consistently.  


== Sagittal notation ==
== Notation ==
In the [[Sagittal]] system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented by the sagittal {{sagittal | /|\ }} and is called the '''11 medium diesis''', or '''11M''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 11/1 (equiv. 11/8), as for example in C-F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal | /|\ }}. The downward version is called '''1/11M''' or '''11M down''' and is represented by {{sagittal| \!/ }}.
This interval is significant in [[Functional Just System]] and [[Helmholtz&ndash;Ellis notation]] as the undecimal formal comma which translates a Pythagorean interval to a nearby undecimal interval.
 
=== Ben Johnston's notation ===
In [[Ben Johnston's notation]], this interval is denoted with &uarr;, and its reciprocal as &darr;. If the base note is C, then 11/8 is represented by C&ndash;F&uarr;.
 
=== Sagittal notation ===
In the [[Sagittal]] system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented by the sagittal {{sagittal | /|\ }} and is called the '''11 medium diesis''', or '''11M''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 11/1 (equiv. 11/8), as for example in C–F{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal | /|\ }}. The downward version is called '''1/11M''' or '''11M down''' and is represented by {{sagittal| \!/ }}.


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[33/32 equal step tuning]] – equal multiplication of this interval
* [[64/33]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[16/11]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[32/31]] the tricesimoprimal counterpart
* [[1ed33/32]] &ndash; equal multiplication of this interval
* [[:File:Ji-33-32-csound-foscil-220hz.mp3]] alternative sound example
* [[64/33]] &ndash; its [[octave complement]]
* [[16/11]] &ndash; its [[fifth complement]]
* [[32/31]] &ndash; the tricesimoprimal counterpart
* [[:File:Ji-33-32-csound-foscil-220hz.mp3]] &ndash; alternative sound example


== References ==
== References ==
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[[Category:Quartertone]]
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[[Category:Alpharabian]]
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[[Category:Commas named after their color name]]
[[Category:Commas named after polymaths]]