Talk:Breed

Disambiguate?

Maybe this should be a disambiguation page between the temperament and type of val? I'm not sure whether either one warrants prominence. --Cmloegcmluin (talk) 23:53, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

My take: the type of val is of more prominence; temperament names are somewhat arbitrary and less important. FloraC (talk) 07:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

I added the tag to it (formatting is todo). --Xenwolf (talk) 08:40, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Who uses this term and what does it even mean?

First time I've seen this. It says it's a "specific type of val" but does not specify what the difference between a breed and a val is. The linked yahoo archive suggests it's supposed to be an alternate word for val... is that correct? If so it should be stated. I'm also not sure that the rename "Breed family" -> "Breed (temperament)" makes sense either; the former feels clearly more correct, and it seems like this dubious-seeming page is the only point against that state of affairs... --Godtone (talk) 17:54, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

It's clear to me; it says that a breed is a map (val) for an equal temperament, such as ⟨12 19 28] (as opposed to any other sort of map, such as ⟨1 0 -4]). That must not be clear, though, so please reword if needed. --Cmloegcmluin (talk) 19:25, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

"is a specific type of val which defines an equal temperament" doesn't sound like "is the same thing as a val" but I don't actually know if there's a difference between the two so I'm hesitant to correct it. --Godtone (talk) 00:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but now I'm more confused about the nature of your confusion. Where did you get this "is the same thing as a val" phrase from? A breed is not the same thing as a val. It is a specific type of val. Again, a breed is a val that represents an equal temperament. Not all vals do that; some vals — such as the ⟨1 0 -4] example I gave in my previous response, which is the first mapping-row of the mapping for meantone temperament — are no good as ET maps.

Oh, I think I see the problem. The Yahoo! groups link on the page is no good. That thread does not give the definition of breed that the community settled on. The link should probably be removed. My understanding is that "breed" is associated with the idea of cross-breeding, which I wrote about briefly here: https://en.xen.wiki/w/Temperament_merging#Cross-breeding So "breed" does come from Graham Breed's name, but it makes a pun with it too (not unlike how Gene Ward Smith's namesake, a "gene", leverages the meaning of that word). If cross-breeding crosses two breeds, and breeds are ETs, then it follows that a map (or val) for an ET is a breed. We do not think of recombining arbitrary maps like ⟨1 0 -4] or ⟨0 1 3] as cross-breeding. --Cmloegcmluin (talk) 00:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)