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{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 190, 243, 296, 645c }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 190, 243, 296, 645c }}


[[Badness]]: 0.0408
[[Badness]]: 0.040807


== Seven limit children ==
== Seven limit children ==
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65536/65625 leads to orwell, but we could also add
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65536/65625 leads to orwell, but we could also add
* 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament with wedgie {{multival| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }}, or  
* 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament (triwell) with wedgie {{multival| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }}, or  
* 67528125/67108864, giving the 31&243 temperament with wedgie {{multival| 28 -12 1 -84 -77 36 }}, or  
* 2401/2400, giving the 31&243 temperament with wedgie {{multival| 28 -12 1 -84 -77 36 }}, or  
* 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament with wedgie {{multival| 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 }}.
* 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament (sabric) with wedgie {{multival| 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 }}.


= Orwell =
= Orwell =
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[[Algebraic generator]]: Sabra3, the real root of 12''x<sup>3</sup> - 7''x'' - 48.
[[Algebraic generator]]: Sabra3, the real root of 12''x<sup>3</sup> - 7''x'' - 48.


{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 84, 137, 221d, 358d }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 9, 22, 31, 53, 84, 137, 221d, 358d }}


[[Badness]]: 0.0207
[[Badness]]: 0.020735


== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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* strict range: [270.968, 272.727]
* strict range: [270.968, 272.727]


{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 84e }}
Vals: {{Val list| 9, 22, 31, 53, 84e }}


Badness: 0.0152
Badness: 0.015231


=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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* strict range: [270.968, 271.698]
* strict range: [270.968, 271.698]


{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 84e, 137e }}
Vals: {{Val list| 22, 31, 53, 84e, 137e }}


Badness: 0.0197
Badness: 0.019718


=== Blair ===
=== Blair ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301


Tuning ranges:  
Vals: {{Val list| 9, 22, 31f }}
* valid range: []
* nice range: [265.357, 289.210]
* strict range: []
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 9, 22, 31f }}


Badness: 0.0231
Badness: 0.023086


=== Winston ===
=== Winston ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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* strict range: [270.968, 272.727]
* strict range: [270.968, 272.727]


{{Val list|legend=1| 22f, 31 }}
Vals: {{Val list| 22f, 31 }}


Badness: 0.0199
Badness: 0.019931


=== Doublethink ===
=== Doublethink ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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* strict range: [135.484, 136.364]
* strict range: [135.484, 136.364]


{{Val list|legend=1| 9, 35, 44, 53, 62, 115ef, 168ef }}
Vals: {{Val list| 9, 35bd, 44, 53, 62, 115ef, 168eef }}


Badness: 0.0271
Badness: 0.027120


== Newspeak ==
== Newspeak ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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* strict range: [270.968, 271.698]
* strict range: [270.968, 271.698]


{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 84, 115, 376b, 491bd, 606bde }}
Vals: {{Val list| 31, 84, 115, 376b, 491bd, 606bde }}


Badness: 0.0314
Badness: 0.031438


== Borwell ==
== Borwell ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752
POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752


{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 106, 137, 442bd }}
Vals: {{Val list| 31, 106, 137, 442bd }}


Badness: 0.0384
Badness: 0.038377


= Triwell =
= Triwell =
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.0806
[[Badness]]: 0.080575


== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471
POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471


{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }}
Vals: {{Val list| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }}
 
Badness: 0.029807
 
= Sabric =
The ''sabric'' temperament (53&amp;190, named by [[User:Xenllium]]) tempers out the [[4375/4374|ragisma]], 4375/4374. It is so named because it is closely related to the '''Sabra2 tuning''' (generator: 271.607278 cents).
 
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 4375/4374, 2109375/2097152
 
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 3 -11 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 61 }}]
 
{{multival|legend=1| 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 }}
 
[[POTE generator]]: ~75/64 = 271.607
 
{{Val list|legend=1| 53, 137d, 190, 243 }}


Badness: 0.0298
[[Badness]]: 0.088355


[[Category:Regular temperament theory]]
[[Category:Regular temperament theory]]

Revision as of 01:26, 25 April 2021

The 5-limit parent comma for the semicomma family is the semicomma, 2109375/2097152 = [-21 3 7. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor sixths.

Orson

Orson, first discovered by Erv Wilson, is the 5-limit temperament tempering out the semicomma. It has a generator of 75/64, which is sharper than 7/6 by 225/224 when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example 53edo or 84edo. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five cents, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: 2109375/2097152

Mapping: [1 0 3], 0 7 -3]]

POTE generator: ~75/64 = 271.627

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13)
  • nice range: [271.229, 271.708]
  • strict range: [271.229, 271.708]

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Badness: 0.040807

Seven limit children

The second comma of the normal comma list defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65536/65625 leads to orwell, but we could also add

  • 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament (triwell) with wedgie ⟨⟨ 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 ]], or
  • 2401/2400, giving the 31&243 temperament with wedgie ⟨⟨ 28 -12 1 -84 -77 36 ]], or
  • 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament (sabric) with wedgie ⟨⟨ 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 ]].

Orwell

So called because 19\84 (as a fraction of the octave) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with 22, 31, 53 and 84 equal, and may be described as the 22&31 temperament, or ⟨⟨ 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 ]]. It's a good system in the 7-limit and naturally extends into the 11-limit. 84edo, with the 19\84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. However, the 19\84 generator is remarkably close to the 11-limit POTE tuning, as the generator is only 0.0024 cents sharper, and it is a good approximation to the 7-limit POTE generator also; hence 84 may be considered the most recommendable tuning in the 7-limit. 53edo might be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out 2430/2401, the nuwell comma, 1728/1715, the orwellisma, 225/224, the septimal kleisma, and 6144/6125, the porwell comma.

The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell.

Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 225/224, 1728/1715

Mapping: [1 0 3 1], 0 7 -3 8]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 ]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.509

Minimax tuning:

[[1 0 0 0, [14/11 0 -7/11 7/11, [27/11 0 3/11 -3/11, [27/11 0 -8/11 8/11]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/5
  • 9-odd-limit
[[1 0 0 0, [21/17 14/17 -7/17 0, [42/17 -6/17 3/17 0, [41/17 16/17 -8/17 0]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 10/9

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [266.667, 272.727] (2\9 to 5\22)
  • nice range: [266.871, 271.708]
  • strict range: [266.871, 271.708]

Algebraic generator: Sabra3, the real root of 12x3 - 7x - 48.

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.020735

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 3], 0 7 -3 8 2]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.426

Minimax tuning:

  • 11-odd-limit
[[1 0 0 0 0, [14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0, [27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0, [27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0, [37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/5

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22)
  • nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
  • strict range: [270.968, 272.727]

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.015231

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 3 8], 0 7 -3 8 2 -19]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.546

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53)
  • nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
  • strict range: [270.968, 271.698]

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.019718

Blair

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 3 3], 0 7 -3 8 2 3]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.023086

Winston

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 3 1], 0 7 -3 8 2 12]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.088

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22)
  • nice range: [266.871, 281.691]
  • strict range: [270.968, 272.727]

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.019931

Doublethink

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 3 2], 0 14 -6 16 4 15]]

POTE generator: ~13/12 = 135.723

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [135.484, 136.364] (7\62 to 5\44)
  • nice range: [128.298, 138.573]
  • strict range: [135.484, 136.364]

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.027120

Newspeak

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 -4], 0 7 -3 8 33]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.288

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53)
  • nice range: [266.871, 272.514]
  • strict range: [270.968, 271.698]

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.031438

Borwell

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715

Mapping: [1 7 0 9 17], 0 -14 6 -16 -35]]

POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.038377

Triwell

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 1029/1024, 235298/234375

Mapping: [1 7 0 1], 0 -21 9 7]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 ]]

POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.472

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.080575

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625

Mapping: [1 7 0 1 13], 0 -21 9 7 -37]]

POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471

Vals: Template:Val list

Badness: 0.029807

Sabric

The sabric temperament (53&190, named by User:Xenllium) tempers out the ragisma, 4375/4374. It is so named because it is closely related to the Sabra2 tuning (generator: 271.607278 cents).

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 4375/4374, 2109375/2097152

Mapping: [1 0 3 -11], 0 7 -3 61]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 ]]

POTE generator: ~75/64 = 271.607

Template:Val list

Badness: 0.088355