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The 5-limit parent comma for the '''semicomma family''' is the semicomma, 2109375/2097152 = {{monzo| -21 3 7 }}. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor sixths. | The 5-limit parent comma for the '''semicomma family''' is the [[semicomma]], 2109375/2097152 = {{monzo| -21 3 7 }}. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor sixths. | ||
= Orson = | = Orson = | ||
'''Orson''', the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering out the semicomma, has a [[generator]] of 75/64, which is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo]] or [[84edo]]. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell. | '''Orson''', the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering out the semicomma, has a [[generator]] of [[75/64]], which is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo]] or [[84edo]]. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell. | ||
Comma: 2109375/2097152 | [[Comma list]]: 2109375/2097152 | ||
[[ | [[Mapping]]: [<1 0 3|, <0 7 -3|] | ||
[[POTE generator]]: ~75/64 = 271.627 | [[POTE generator]]: ~75/64 = 271.627 | ||
[[Tuning Ranges]]: | |||
* valid range: [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13) | |||
* nice range: [271.229, 271.708] | |||
* strict range: [271.229, 271.708] | |||
{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 190, 243, 296, 645c }} | |||
Badness: 0.0408 | [[Badness]]: 0.0408 | ||
== Seven limit children == | == Seven limit children == | ||
The second comma of the [[Normal lists|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65536/65625 leads to orwell, but we could also add | The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65536/65625 leads to orwell, but we could also add | ||
* 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament with wedgie | * 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament with wedgie {{multival| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }}, or | ||
* 67528125/67108864, giving the 31&243 temperament with wedgie | * 67528125/67108864, giving the 31&243 temperament with wedgie {{multival| 28 -12 1 -84 -77 36 }}, or | ||
* 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament with wedgie | * 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament with wedgie {{multival| 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 }}. | ||
= Orwell = | = Orwell = | ||
{{main| Orwell }} | {{main| Orwell }} | ||
So called because 19\84 (as a [[fraction of the octave]]) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with [[22edo|22]], [[31edo|31]], [[53edo|53]] and [[84edo|84]] equal, and may be described as the 22&31 temperament, or | So called because 19\84 (as a [[fraction of the octave]]) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with [[22edo|22]], [[31edo|31]], [[53edo|53]] and [[84edo|84]] equal, and may be described as the 22&31 temperament, or {{multival| 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 }}. It's a good system in the [[7-limit]] and naturally extends into the [[11-limit]]. [[84edo]], with the 19\84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. However, the 19\84 generator is remarkably close to the 11-limit [[POTE tuning]], as the generator is only 0.0024 cents sharper, and it is a good approximation to the 7-limit POTE generator also; hence 84 may be considered the most recommendable tuning in the 7-limit. [[53edo]] might be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out [[2430/2401]], the nuwell comma, [[1728/1715]], the orwellisma, [[225/224]], the septimal kleisma, and [[6144/6125]], the porwell comma. | ||
The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell. | The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell. | ||
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Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has [[Retuning_12edo_to_Orwell9|considerable harmonic resources]] despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything. | Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has [[Retuning_12edo_to_Orwell9|considerable harmonic resources]] despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything. | ||
[[Comma]] | [[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1728/1715 | ||
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1|, <0 7 -3 8|] | |||
{{Multival|legend=1| 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 }} | |||
[[POTE generator]]: ~7/6 = 271.509 | [[POTE generator]]: ~7/6 = 271.509 | ||
[[Minimax tuning]]: | |||
* [[7-odd-limit]] | |||
: [|1 0 0 0>, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11>, |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11>, |27/11 0 -8/11 8/11>] | |||
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 7/5 | |||
* 9-odd-limit | |||
: [|1 0 0 0>, |21/17 14/17 -7/17 0>, |42/17 -6/17 3/17 0>, |41/17 16/17 -8/17 0>] | |||
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 10/9 | |||
[[Tuning ranges]]: | |||
* valid range: [266.667, 272.727] (9 to 22) | |||
* nice range: [266.871, 271.708] | |||
* strict range: [266.871, 271.708] | |||
[[Algebraic generator]]: Sabra3, the real root of 12''x<sup>3</sup> - 7''x'' - 48. | |||
{{ | {{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 84, 137, 221d, 358d }} | ||
Badness: 0.0207 | Badness: 0.0207 | ||
==11-limit== | == 11-limit == | ||
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175 | |||
[ | Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3|, <0 7 -3 8 2|] | ||
[[POTE generator]]: ~7/6 = 271.426 | |||
[[ | |||
[[ | Minimax tuning: | ||
* 11-odd-limit | |||
: [|1 0 0 0 0>, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0>, |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0>, |27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0>, |37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0>] | |||
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 7/5 | |||
Tuning ranges: | |||
* valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (31 to 22) | |||
* nice range: [266.871, 275.659] | |||
* strict range: [270.968, 272.727] | |||
{{ | {{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 84e }} | ||
Badness: 0.0152 | Badness: 0.0152 | ||
=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273 | |||
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 8|, <0 7 -3 8 2 -19|] | |||
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.546 | |||
strict range: [270.968, 271.698] | Tuning ranges: | ||
* valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (31 to 53) | |||
* nice range: [266.871, 275.659] | |||
* strict range: [270.968, 271.698] | |||
{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 84e, 137e }} | |||
{{ | |||
Badness: 0.0197 | Badness: 0.0197 | ||
=== Blair === | === Blair === | ||
Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98 | |||
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 3|, <0 7 -3 8 2 3|] | |||
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301 | POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301 | ||
Tuning ranges: | |||
* valid range: [] | |||
* nice range: [265.357, 289.210] | |||
* strict range: [] | |||
{{ | {{Val list|legend=1| 9, 22, 31f }} | ||
Badness: 0.0231 | Badness: 0.0231 | ||
=== Winston === | === Winston === | ||
Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120 | |||
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 1|, <0 7 -3 8 2 12|] | |||
[[POTE generator]]: ~7/6 = 271.088 | [[POTE generator]]: ~7/6 = 271.088 | ||
Tuning ranges: | |||
* valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (31 to 22f) | |||
* nice range: [266.871, 281.691] | |||
* strict range: [270.968, 272.727] | |||
{{ | {{Val list|legend=1| 22f, 31 }} | ||
Badness: 0.0199 | Badness: 0.0199 | ||
=== Doublethink === | === Doublethink === | ||
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175 | |||
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 2|, <0 14 -6 16 4 15|] | |||
POTE generator: ~13/12 = 135.723 | |||
strict range: [135.484, 136.364] | Tuning ranges: | ||
* valid range: [135.484, 136.364] (62 to 44) | |||
* nice range: [128.298, 138.573] | |||
* strict range: [135.484, 136.364] | |||
{{Val list|legend=1| 9, 35, 44, 53, 62, 115ef, 168ef }} | |||
{{ | |||
Badness: 0.0271 | Badness: 0.0271 | ||
== Newspeak == | == Newspeak == | ||
Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715 | |||
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 -4|, <0 7 -3 8 33|] | |||
POTE | POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.288 | ||
Tuning ranges: | |||
* valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (31 to 53) | |||
* nice range: [266.871, 272.514] | |||
* strict range: [270.968, 271.698] | |||
{{ | {{Val list|legend=1| 31, 84, 115, 376b, 491bd, 606bde }} | ||
Badness: 0.0314 | Badness: 0.0314 | ||
== Borwell == | == Borwell == | ||
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715 | |||
Mapping: [<1 7 0 9 17|, <0 -14 6 -16 -35|] | |||
POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752 | POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752 | ||
{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 106, 137, 442bd }} | |||
{{ | |||
Badness: 0.0384 | Badness: 0.0384 | ||
= Triwell = | = Triwell = | ||
[[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, 235298/234375 | |||
[[Mapping]]: [<1 7 0 1|, <0 -21 9 7]] | |||
{{Multival|legend=1| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }} | |||
[[POTE generator]]: ~448/375 = 309.472 | |||
{{ | {{Val list|legend=1| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }} | ||
Badness: 0.0806 | [[Badness]]: 0.0806 | ||
== 11-limit == | == 11-limit == | ||
Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625 | |||
Mapping: [<1 7 0 1 13|, <0 -21 9 7 -37]] | |||
POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471 | POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471 | ||
{{Val list|legend=1| 31, 97, 128, 159, 190 }} | |||
{{ | |||
Badness: 0.0298 | Badness: 0.0298 | ||
[[Category: | [[Category:Regular temperament theory]] | ||
[[Category:Temperament family]] | [[Category:Temperament family]] | ||
[[Category:Semicomma]] | [[Category:Semicomma]] | ||
[[Category:Rank 2]] | [[Category:Rank 2]] | ||
[[Category:Orson]] | |||
[[Category:Orwell]] | [[Category:Orwell]] | ||
Revision as of 08:09, 21 April 2021
The 5-limit parent comma for the semicomma family is the semicomma, 2109375/2097152 = [-21 3 7⟩. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor sixths.
Orson
Orson, the 5-limit temperament tempering out the semicomma, has a generator of 75/64, which is sharper than 7/6 by 225/224 when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example 53edo or 84edo. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five cents, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.
Comma list: 2109375/2097152
Mapping: [<1 0 3|, <0 7 -3|]
POTE generator: ~75/64 = 271.627
- valid range: [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13)
- nice range: [271.229, 271.708]
- strict range: [271.229, 271.708]
Badness: 0.0408
Seven limit children
The second comma of the normal comma list defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65536/65625 leads to orwell, but we could also add
- 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament with wedgie ⟨⟨ 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 ]], or
- 67528125/67108864, giving the 31&243 temperament with wedgie ⟨⟨ 28 -12 1 -84 -77 36 ]], or
- 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament with wedgie ⟨⟨ 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 ]].
Orwell
So called because 19\84 (as a fraction of the octave) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with 22, 31, 53 and 84 equal, and may be described as the 22&31 temperament, or ⟨⟨ 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 ]]. It's a good system in the 7-limit and naturally extends into the 11-limit. 84edo, with the 19\84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. However, the 19\84 generator is remarkably close to the 11-limit POTE tuning, as the generator is only 0.0024 cents sharper, and it is a good approximation to the 7-limit POTE generator also; hence 84 may be considered the most recommendable tuning in the 7-limit. 53edo might be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out 2430/2401, the nuwell comma, 1728/1715, the orwellisma, 225/224, the septimal kleisma, and 6144/6125, the porwell comma.
The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell.
Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything.
Comma list: 225/224, 1728/1715
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1|, <0 7 -3 8|]
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 ]]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.509
- [|1 0 0 0>, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11>, |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11>, |27/11 0 -8/11 8/11>]
- Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/5
- 9-odd-limit
- [|1 0 0 0>, |21/17 14/17 -7/17 0>, |42/17 -6/17 3/17 0>, |41/17 16/17 -8/17 0>]
- Eigenmonzos: 2, 10/9
- valid range: [266.667, 272.727] (9 to 22)
- nice range: [266.871, 271.708]
- strict range: [266.871, 271.708]
Algebraic generator: Sabra3, the real root of 12x3 - 7x - 48.
Badness: 0.0207
11-limit
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3|, <0 7 -3 8 2|]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.426
Minimax tuning:
- 11-odd-limit
- [|1 0 0 0 0>, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0>, |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0>, |27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0>, |37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0>]
- Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/5
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (31 to 22)
- nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
- strict range: [270.968, 272.727]
Badness: 0.0152
13-limit
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 8|, <0 7 -3 8 2 -19|]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.546
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (31 to 53)
- nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
- strict range: [270.968, 271.698]
Badness: 0.0197
Blair
Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 3|, <0 7 -3 8 2 3|]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: []
- nice range: [265.357, 289.210]
- strict range: []
Badness: 0.0231
Winston
Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 1|, <0 7 -3 8 2 12|]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.088
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (31 to 22f)
- nice range: [266.871, 281.691]
- strict range: [270.968, 272.727]
Badness: 0.0199
Doublethink
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 2|, <0 14 -6 16 4 15|]
POTE generator: ~13/12 = 135.723
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: [135.484, 136.364] (62 to 44)
- nice range: [128.298, 138.573]
- strict range: [135.484, 136.364]
Badness: 0.0271
Newspeak
Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715
Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 -4|, <0 7 -3 8 33|]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.288
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (31 to 53)
- nice range: [266.871, 272.514]
- strict range: [270.968, 271.698]
Badness: 0.0314
Borwell
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715
Mapping: [<1 7 0 9 17|, <0 -14 6 -16 -35|]
POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752
Badness: 0.0384
Triwell
Comma list: 1029/1024, 235298/234375
Mapping: [<1 7 0 1|, <0 -21 9 7]]
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 ]]
POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.472
Badness: 0.0806
11-limit
Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625
Mapping: [<1 7 0 1 13|, <0 -21 9 7 -37]]
POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471
Badness: 0.0298