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I would call degenerate any temperament that can only represented by patent val by 1edN, or worse by 0edo (which of course is trivial). --[[User:Eufalesio|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio|talk]]) 12:30, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
I would call degenerate any temperament that can only represented by patent val by 1edN, or worse by 0edo (which of course is trivial). --[[User:Eufalesio|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio|talk]]) 12:30, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
: The octave can be tempered.
: Bixby isn't the same as the 2.5 subgroup. 2.3.5 is reduced to 2.5 only if you temper out 3/1. In bixby ~2/1 can be bent towards ~3/2 just as ~3/2 can be bent towards ~2/1. For the same reason archon isn't the same as the 2.3 subgroup.
: Tempering out 17/16 easily makes sense by detuning each octave 25 cents wide to get a 17/1 that's only about 5 cents narrow.
: Even tho these temps are still wild, they are not as wild as you think, and certainly not degenerate cuz degeneracy means actually removing a dimension, like tempering out a literal harmonic and not just selectively an octave-reduced harmonic.
: —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 14:12, 31 December 2025 (UTC)