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Alternatively, dual-fifth temperaments can be analyzed in a more conventional way as [[subgroup temperament]]s, where one of the fifths is mapped to [[3/2]] and the other is mapped to a nearby [[wolf interval|wolf fifth]] (such as [[64/43]], which is convenient since 2.3.43 is the same subgroup as 2.3.64/43).
Alternatively, dual-fifth temperaments can be analyzed in a more conventional way as [[subgroup temperament]]s, where one of the fifths is mapped to [[3/2]] and the other is mapped to a nearby [[wolf interval|wolf fifth]] (such as [[64/43]], which is convenient since 2.3.43 is the same subgroup as 2.3.64/43).
== Dual-3 Spell ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5
[[Comma|Comma basis]]: [[25/24|{{monzo| -3 0 -1 2 }}]], [[81/80|{{monzo| -4 2 2 -1 }}]]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 1 2 }}, {{val| 0 -3 4 2 }}]
2.9.5 [[POTE]] generator: ~(3⁻×3⁺)/8 = 192.4773
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 6, 13, 19 }}


== Dual-3 A-Team ==
== Dual-3 A-Team ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5


[[Comma]]s: [[81/80|{{monzo| -4 2 2 -1 }}]], {{monzo| -8 1 4 0 }}
[[Comma|Comma basis]]: [[81/80|{{monzo| -4 2 2 -1 }}]], [[256/243|{{monzo| 8 -1 -4 0 }}]]


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 2 0 }}, {{val| 0 4 -1 6 }}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 2 0 }}, {{val| 0 4 -1 6 }}]


2.9.5 [[POTE]] generator: 464.1591
2.9.5 [[POTE]] generator: ~3⁺/2 = 735.8409


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 13, 18, 31 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 13, 18, 31 }}
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[[Subgroup]]: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5


[[Comma]]s: [[81/80|{{monzo| -4 2 2 -1 }}]], {{monzo| 2 -3 0 1 }}
[[Comma|Comma basis]]: [[25/24|{{monzo| -3 1 -2 2 }}]], [[81/80|{{monzo| -4 2 2 -1 }}]]


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 1 -2 }}, {{val| 0 2 1 6 }}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 3 4 }}, {{val| 0 2 -5 -6 }}]


2.9.5 [[POTE]] generator: 335.8409
2.9.5 [[POTE]] generator: ~(2×3⁺)/5 = 335.8409


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 18, 25, 43 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 18, 25, 43 }}
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[[Subgroup]]: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5


2.9.5 [[POTE]] generator: 730.0679
[[Comma|Comma basis]]: [[25/24|{{monzo| -3 1 -2 2 }}]], [[256/243|{{monzo| 8 -1 -4 0 }}]]
 
Mapping: [{{val| 2 8 2 1 }}, {{val| 0 -4 1 3 }}]


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|18, 28}}
2.9.5 [[POTE]] generator: ~3⁺/2 = 730.0679


{{Todo|review|inline=1|comment=explicitly write out commas and vals for Dual-3 Octokaidecal}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 18, 28 }}


== Megapyth ==
== Megapyth ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5.7


[[Comma]]s: {{monzo| -4 3 1 -1 0 }}, {{monzo| 6 0 -2 0 -1 }}, {{monzo| -5 -1 6 0 0 }}
[[Comma|Comma basis]]: {{monzo| -4 3 1 -1 0 }}, {{monzo| 6 0 -2 0 -1 }}, {{monzo| -5 -1 6 0 0 }}


Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 1 0 4 }}, {{val| 0 6 1 19 -2 }}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 1 1 0 4 }}, {{val| 0 6 1 19 -2 }}]
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2.9.5.7 [[POTE]] generator: ~3⁺/2 = 715.319
2.9.5.7 [[POTE]] generator: ~3⁺/2 = 715.319


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1|47b, 52b}}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 47b, 52b }}


== Duofamity (Rank-3) ==
== Duofamity (Rank-3) ==
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Least-squares for 5/4, 9/8, and 8/7: 690.155, 715.325
Least-squares for 5/4, 9/8, and 8/7: 690.155, 715.325


[[Comma]]s: {{monzo| -4 3 1 -1 0 }}, {{monzo| 6 0 -2 0 -1 }}
[[Comma|Comma basis]]: {{monzo| -4 3 1 -1 0 }}, {{monzo| 6 0 -2 0 -1 }}


Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -4 6 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 3 0 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 1 -2 }}]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 0 -4 6 }}, {{val| 0 1 0 3 0 }}, {{val| 0 0 1 1 -2 }}]
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[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.97
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.97


[[Comma]]s: [[177147/163840]], 2619/2560
[[Comma|Comma basis]]: [[177147/163840]], 2619/2560


{{Mapping|legend=2|1 1 -4 2|0 1 11 8}}
{{Mapping|legend=2|1 1 -4 2|0 1 11 8}}
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== [[Ripple]] ==
== [[Ripple]] ==
Subgroup: 2.3⁻.9.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5.7.11


See [[ripple]].
See [[ripple]].

Revision as of 02:31, 29 June 2025

This is a list showing technical temperament data. For an explanation of what information is shown here, you may look at the technical data guide for regular temperaments.

Unlike conventional temperaments, dual-fifth temperaments do not attempt to optimize every interval to low-limit JI, but treat the "sharp 3" (3⁺) and the "flat 3" (3⁻) as distinct dimensions. The sharp 3 and the flat 3 are not meant to represent JI intervals by themselves, but satisfy 3⁺ × 3⁻ = 9 (representing 9/1 in JI); hence 2.3⁻.9 and 2.3⁻.3⁺ are the same subgroup.

For example, "dual-3 sixix" is a 2.3⁻.9.5 temperament with an optimal generator around 335.8¢ (optimizing only the 2.9.5 portion of the subgroup). Two generators up make the flat fifth, and five generators down make the flat fourth. Hence 3 generators down represent 9/8 and 6 generators down represent 5/4. Hence dual-3 sixix tempers out 81/80 in the 2.9.5 subgroup, but only every third interval in the sixix generator chains represents a JI interval.

Alternatively, dual-fifth temperaments can be analyzed in a more conventional way as subgroup temperaments, where one of the fifths is mapped to 3/2 and the other is mapped to a nearby wolf fifth (such as 64/43, which is convenient since 2.3.43 is the same subgroup as 2.3.64/43).

Dual-3 Spell

Subgroup: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5

Comma basis: [-3 0 -1 2, [-4 2 2 -1

Mapping: [1 2 1 2], 0 -3 4 2]]

2.9.5 POTE generator: ~(3⁻×3⁺)/8 = 192.4773

Optimal ET sequence6, 13, 19

Dual-3 A-Team

Subgroup: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5

Comma basis: [-4 2 2 -1, [8 -1 -4 0

Mapping: [1 0 2 0], 0 4 -1 6]]

2.9.5 POTE generator: ~3⁺/2 = 735.8409

Optimal ET sequence13, 18, 31

Dual-3 Sixix

Subgroup: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5

Comma basis: [-3 1 -2 2, [-4 2 2 -1

Mapping: [1 1 3 4], 0 2 -5 -6]]

2.9.5 POTE generator: ~(2×3⁺)/5 = 335.8409

Optimal ET sequence18, 25, 43

Dual-3 Octokaidecal

Subgroup: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5

Comma basis: [-3 1 -2 2, [8 -1 -4 0

Mapping: [2 8 2 1], 0 -4 1 3]]

2.9.5 POTE generator: ~3⁺/2 = 730.0679

Optimal ET sequence18, 28

Megapyth

Subgroup: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5.7

Comma basis: [-4 3 1 -1 0, [6 0 -2 0 -1, [-5 -1 6 0 0

Mapping: [1 1 1 0 4], 0 6 1 19 -2]]

2.9.5.7 POTE generator: ~3⁺/2 = 715.319

Optimal ET sequence47b, 52b

Duofamity (Rank-3)

Subgroup: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5.7

Generators: 2, 3⁻, 3⁺

Least-squares for 5/4, 9/8, and 8/7: 690.155, 715.325

Comma basis: [-4 3 1 -1 0, [6 0 -2 0 -1

Mapping: [1 0 0 -4 6], 0 1 0 3 0], 0 0 1 1 -2]]

Optimal ET sequence30c, 47b, 52b

Travesty

Subgroup: 2.3.5.97

Comma basis: 177147/163840, 2619/2560

Subgroup-val mapping[1 1 -4 2], 0 1 11 8]]

CTE generator: ~3/2 = 689.886

Supporting ETs: 7, 40, 33, 26[+5], 47, 19[+5, +97], 54[-3], 61[-3, -5, -97], 68[-3, -5, -97]

Ripple

Subgroup: 2.3⁻.3⁺.5.7.11

See ripple.