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'''5-edo''' divides the 1200-[[cent]] octave into 5 equal parts, making its smallest interval exactly 240 [[cent|cents]], or the fifth root of two. | |||
== | == 5 Equal Divisions of the Octave: Theory == | ||
5-edo is the 3rd [[prime numbers|prime]] edo, after [[2edo]] and [[3edo]]. Most importantly, 5-edo is the smallest [[EDO|edo]] containing xenharmonic intervals! (1edo 2edo 3edo 4edo are all subsets of 12edo.) | |||
There is a lot of near-equipentatonic world music, just google "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro". | There is a lot of near-equipentatonic world music, just google "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro". | ||
==Listen to the sound of the 5-edo scale== | === Listen to the sound of the 5-edo scale === | ||
For any musician, there is no substitute for the experience of a particular xenharmonic sound. The user going by the name Hyacinth on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons has many xenharmonic MIDI's and has graciously copylefted them! This is his 5-edo scale MIDI: | For any musician, there is no substitute for the experience of a particular xenharmonic sound. The user going by the name Hyacinth on Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons has many xenharmonic MIDI's and has graciously copylefted them! This is his 5-edo scale MIDI: | ||
[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid] | * [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid] | ||
==Intervals in 5-edo== | === Intervals in 5-edo === | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! degrees | ||
! | ! size <br/> in [[cent|cents]] | ||
! Closest diatonic <br/> interval name | |||
in [[cent|cents]] | ! The "neighborhood" of just intervals | ||
! | |||
interval name | |||
! | |||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 0 | | style="text-align:center;" | 0 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 0 | | style="text-align:center;" | 0 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | unison / prime | | style="text-align:center;" | unison / prime | ||
| exactly 1/1 | |||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 1 | | style="text-align:center;" | 1 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 240 | | style="text-align:center;" | 240 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | second, third | | style="text-align:center;" | second, third | ||
| +8.826¢ from septimal second [[8/7|8/7]] | |||
-4.969¢ from diminished third [[144/125|144/125]] | -4.969¢ from diminished third [[144/125|144/125]] | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 480 | | style="text-align:center;" | 480 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | fourth | | style="text-align:center;" | fourth | ||
| +9.219¢ from narrow fourth [[21/16|21/16]] | |||
-0.686¢ from smaller fourth [[33/25|33/25]] | -0.686¢ from smaller fourth [[33/25|33/25]] | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 720 | | style="text-align:center;" | 720 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | fifth | | style="text-align:center;" | fifth | ||
| +18.045¢ from just fifth [[3/2|3/2]] | |||
+0.686¢ from bigger fifth [[50/33|50/33]] | +0.686¢ from bigger fifth [[50/33|50/33]] | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 960 | | style="text-align:center;" | 960 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | sixth, seventh | | style="text-align:center;" | sixth, seventh | ||
| 26.871¢ from septimal major sixth [[12/7|12/7]] | |||
13.076¢ from diminished seventh 216/125 | 13.076¢ from diminished seventh 216/125 | ||
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| style="text-align:center;" | 1200 | | style="text-align:center;" | 1200 | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | octave / eighth | | style="text-align:center;" | octave / eighth | ||
| exactly 2/1 | |||
|} | |} | ||
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[[:File:5ed2-001.svg|5ed2-001.svg]] | [[:File:5ed2-001.svg|5ed2-001.svg]] | ||
==Related scales== | === Related scales === | ||
* By its cardinality, 5-edo is related to other [[pentatonic]] scales, and it is especially close in sound to many Indonesian [[slendro|slendros]]. | |||
* Due to the interest around the "fifth" interval size, there are many [[nonoctave|nonoctave]] "stretch sisters" to 5-edo: square root of 4/3, cube root of 3/2, 8th root of 3, etc. | |||
* For the same reason there are many "circle sisters": | |||
** Make a chain of five "bigger fifths" (50/33), which makes three octaves 3.227¢ flat. (50/33)^5=7.985099. | |||
=== As a temperament === | |||
If 5-edo is regarded as a temperament, which is to say as 5-et, then the most salient fact is that 16/15 is tempered out. This means in 5-et the major third and the fourth, and the minor sixth and the fifth, are not distinguished; this is 5-limit [[Trienstonic clan|father temperament]]. | |||
Also tempered out is 27/25, if we temper this out in preference to 16/15 we obtain [[Bug family|bug temperament]], which equates 10/9 with 6/5: it is a little more perverse even than father. Because these intervals are so large, this sort of analysis is less significant with 5 than it becomes with larger and more accurate divisions, but it still plays a role. For example, I-IV-V-I is the same as I-III-V-I and involves triads with common intervals because of fourth-thirds equivalence. | |||
==Cycles, Divisions== | Despite its lack of accuracy, 5EDO is the second [[The Riemann Zeta Function and Tuning#Zeta EDO lists|zeta integral edo]], after 2EDO. It also is the smallest equal division representing the [[9-limit]] [[consistent|consistently]], giving a distinct value modulo five to 2, 3, 5, 7 and 9. Hence in a way similar to how [[4edo]] can be used, and which is discussed in that article, it can be used to represent [[7-limit]] intervals in terms of their position in a pentad, by giving a triple of integers representing a pentad in the [[The_Seven_Limit_Symmetrical_Lattices|lattice]] of tetrads/pentads together with the number of scale steps in 5EDO. However, while [[2edo]] represents the [[3-limit]] consistently, [[3edo]] the [[5-limit]], [[4edo]] the [[7-limit]] and 5edo the [[9-limit]], to represent the [[11-limit]] consistently with a [[patent val]] requires going all the way to [[22edo]]. | ||
=== Cycles, Divisions === | |||
5 is a prime number so 5-edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles: | 5 is a prime number so 5-edo contains no sub-edos. Only simple cycles: | ||
Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0 | * Cycle of seconds: 0-1-2-3-4-0 | ||
* Cycle of fourths: 0-2-4-1-3-0 | |||
* Cycle of fifths: 0-3-1-4-2-0 | |||
* Cycle of sevenths: 0-4-3-2-1-0 | |||
== 5-edo in Musicmaking == | |||
=== Compositions, Improvisations === | |||
* [http://www.io.com/%7Ehmiller/ Herman Miller]: ''[http://micro.soonlabel.com/herman_miller/Daybreak.mp3 Daybreak on Slendro Mountain]'' (2000) | |||
* Aaron K. Johnson: ''[http://www.akjmusic.com/audio/5tet_funk.mp3 5tet funk]'' (2004) | |||
* [http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=122613&songID=1519939 Andrew Heathwaite: //Pinta Penta// (2004)] [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Heathwaite/andrewheathwaite+pintapentain5tet.mp3 play] (rendered in 6 alternative pentatonics as well) | |||
= | * [[Hans_Straub|Hans Straub]]: [http://home.datacomm.ch/straub/mamuth/5tet_e.html#asimchomsaia Asîmchômsaia] [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Straub/asimchomsaia.mp3 play] | ||
* [[Brian_Wong|Brian Wong]]: [http://bwong.ca/template1.php?sub=3 Slendronica#1b] [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Wong/Slendronica1b.ogg play] | |||
== | * Brian McLaren: various and sundry</li><li>Paul Rubenstein: various, with electric guitars in 10- and 15-edo</li><li>X.J.Scott: ''Sleeping Through It All'' (2004) | ||
* Bill Sethares: ''5-tet funk'' (2004), ''Pentacle'' (2004) | |||
* "Cenobyte" Ukulele [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKUCRnEJKKU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKUCRnEJKKU] | |||
* "[http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a104474/true-island-5-equal-divisions-of-the-octave-ukulele True Island]" (album) by Small Scale Revolution (2011) | |||
* Ralph Jarzombek: [http://webzoom.freewebs.com/ralphjarzombek/micro12.mp3 Micro12] | |||
There is a lot of 5edo world music, search for "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro". | There is a lot of 5edo world music, search for "gyil" or "amadinda" or "slendro". | ||
==Ear Training== | === Ear Training === | ||
5edo ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available [https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwsXD8q2VCYUT3VEZUVmeVZUcmc&usp=drive_web here]. | 5edo ear-training exercises by Alex Ness available [https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwsXD8q2VCYUT3VEZUVmeVZUcmc&usp=drive_web here]. | ||
==Notation== | === Notation === | ||
* via Reinhard's cents notation | |||
* naturals on a five-line staff, with enharmonics (used interchangably) E=F and B=C | |||
* a four-line hybrid treble/bass staff. | |||
==Harmony== | === Harmony === | ||
5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable. | 5edo does not have any strong consonance nor dissonance. The 240 cent interval can serve as either a major second or minor third, and the 960 cent interval as either a major sixth or minor seventh. The fourth is about 18 cents flat of a just fourth, making it rather "dirty" but recognizable. The fifth is likewise about 18 cents sharp of a just fifth, dissonant but still easily recognizable. | ||
In contrast to other EDOs, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in 10-EDO). | In contrast to other EDOs, all of the notes can be used at once in order to get a functioning scale. (As in Blackwood in [[10edo|10-EDO]]). | ||
Important chords: | Important chords: | ||
* 0+1+3 | |||
* 0+2+3 | |||
* 0+1+3+4 | |||
* 0+2+3+4 | |||
=== Melody === | |||
==Melody== | |||
Smallest EDO that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character. | Smallest EDO that can be used for melodies in a "standard" way. The relatively large step of 240 cents can be used as major second for the melody construction. The scale has whole-tone as well as pentatonic character. | ||
==Chord or scale?== | === Chord or scale? === | ||
Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic. | Either way, it is hard to wander very far from where you start. However, it has the scale-like feature that there are (barely) enough notes to create melody, in the form of an equal version of pentatonic. | ||
==Commas Tempered== | === Commas Tempered === | ||
5-EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val < 5 8 12 14 17 19 |.) | 5-EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes the val < 5 8 12 14 17 19 |.) | ||
{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! [[Comma]] | ||
! | ! Value ([[cent]]s) | ||
! | ! Name | ||
! | ! Second Name | ||
! | ! Third Name | ||
! | ! [[Monzo]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 256/243 | | style="text-align:center;" | 256/243 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 90.225 | | style="text-align:right;" | 90.225 | ||
| Limma | |||
| Pythagorean Minor 2nd | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 8 -5 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 81/80 | | style="text-align:center;" | 81/80 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 21.506 | | style="text-align:right;" | 21.506 | ||
| Syntonic Comma | |||
| Didymos Comma | |||
| Meantone Comma | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -4 4 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 2889416/2882415 | | style="text-align:center;" | 2889416/2882415 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 4.200 | | style="text-align:right;" | 4.200 | ||
| Vulture | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 24 -21 4 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 36/35 | | style="text-align:center;" | 36/35 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 48.770 | | style="text-align:right;" | 48.770 | ||
| Septimal Quarter Tone | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 2 2 -1 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 49/48 | | style="text-align:center;" | 49/48 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 35.697 | | style="text-align:right;" | 35.697 | ||
| Slendro Diesis | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -4 -1 0 2 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 64/63 | | style="text-align:center;" | 64/63 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 27.264 | | style="text-align:right;" | 27.264 | ||
| Septimal Comma | |||
| Archytas' Comma | |||
| Leipziger Komma | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 6 -2 0 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 245/243 | | style="text-align:center;" | 245/243 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 14.191 | | style="text-align:right;" | 14.191 | ||
| Sensamagic | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 0 -5 1 2 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 1728/1715 | | style="text-align:center;" | 1728/1715 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 13.074 | | style="text-align:right;" | 13.074 | ||
| Orwellisma | |||
| Orwell Comma | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 6 3 -1 -3 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 1029/1024 | | style="text-align:center;" | 1029/1024 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 8.433 | | style="text-align:right;" | 8.433 | ||
| Gamelisma | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -10 1 0 3 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 19683/19600 | | style="text-align:center;" | 19683/19600 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 7.316 | | style="text-align:right;" | 7.316 | ||
| Cataharry | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -4 9 -2 -2 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 5120/5103 | | style="text-align:center;" | 5120/5103 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 5.758 | | style="text-align:right;" | 5.758 | ||
| Hemifamity | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 10 -6 1 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 1065875/1063543 | | style="text-align:center;" | 1065875/1063543 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 3.792 | | style="text-align:right;" | 3.792 | ||
| Wadisma | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -26 -1 1 9 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 420175/419904 | | style="text-align:center;" | 420175/419904 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 1.117 | | style="text-align:right;" | 1.117 | ||
| Wizma | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -6 -8 2 5 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 99/98 | | style="text-align:center;" | 99/98 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 17.576 | | style="text-align:right;" | 17.576 | ||
| Mothwellsma | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -1 2 0 -2 1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 896/891 | | style="text-align:center;" | 896/891 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 9.688 | | style="text-align:right;" | 9.688 | ||
| Pentacircle | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 7 -4 0 1 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 385/384 | | style="text-align:center;" | 385/384 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 4.503 | | style="text-align:right;" | 4.503 | ||
| Keenanisma | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -7 -1 1 1 1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 441/440 | | style="text-align:center;" | 441/440 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 3.930 | | style="text-align:right;" | 3.930 | ||
| Werckisma | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -3 2 -1 2 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 3025/3024 | | style="text-align:center;" | 3025/3024 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 0.572 | | style="text-align:right;" | 0.572 | ||
| Lehmerisma | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -4 -3 2 -1 2 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 91/90 | | style="text-align:center;" | 91/90 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 19.130 | | style="text-align:right;" | 19.130 | ||
| Superleap | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -1 -2 -1 1 0 1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 676/675 | | style="text-align:center;" | 676/675 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 2.563 | | style="text-align:right;" | 2.563 | ||
| Parizeksma | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 2 -3 -2 0 0 2 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 16/15 | | style="text-align:center;" | 16/15 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 111.731 | | style="text-align:right;" | 111.731 | ||
| Diatonic semitone | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 4 -1 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 14/13 | | style="text-align:center;" | 14/13 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 128.298 | | style="text-align:right;" | 128.298 | ||
| | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 1 0 0 1 0 -1 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 27/25 | | style="text-align:center;" | 27/25 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 133.238 | | style="text-align:right;" | 133.238 | ||
| Large diatonic semit. | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| 0 3 -2 }} | ||
|- | |- | ||
| style="text-align:center;" | 11/10 | | style="text-align:center;" | 11/10 | ||
| style="text-align:right;" | 165.004 | | style="text-align:right;" | 165.004 | ||
| Large neutral second | |||
| | |||
| | |||
| | | {{Monzo| -1 0 -1 0 1 }} | ||
|} | |} | ||
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[[Category:5edo]] | [[Category:5edo]] | ||
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[[Category:todo:unify_precision]] | [[Category:todo:unify_precision]] | ||
[[Category:zeta]] | [[Category:zeta]] | ||
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