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:: I personally much prefer independent ^v because it greatly reduces the clutter, especially in 41edo. Why say ^ND when you can just say ^D? I realize that's different from established practice, e.g. Saggital and HEJI. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 09:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC) | :: I personally much prefer independent ^v because it greatly reduces the clutter, especially in 41edo. Why say ^ND when you can just say ^D? I realize that's different from established practice, e.g. Saggital and HEJI. --[[User:TallKite|TallKite]] ([[User talk:TallKite|talk]]) 09:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC) | ||
::: I'm a little confused about the last thing you said. You would never need to write ^ND under the diamond-mos standard because ^/v alone already cancel #/b. In fact, I'm not including ^N in the diamond-mos template mscz I'm making, because ^ alone has the same meaning. In general, I don't think either choice is creates more or less clutter. The "independent" rule can write D# ^D# with less clutter, and the "dependent" rule can write D# ^D with less clutter. I go with the dependent rule because it's more in line with how standard 12edo accidentals already work. [[User:SupahstarSaga|SupahstarSaga]] ([[User talk:SupahstarSaga|talk]]) 15:23, 31 July 2021 (UTC) | ::: I'm a little confused about the last thing you said. You would never need to write ^ND under the diamond-mos standard because ^/v alone already cancel #/b. In fact, I'm not including ^N in the diamond-mos template mscz I'm making, because ^ alone has the same meaning. In general, I don't think either choice is creates more or less clutter. The "independent" rule can write D# ^D# with less clutter, and the "dependent" rule can write D# ^D with less clutter. I go with the dependent rule because it's more in line with how standard 12edo accidentals already work. [[User:SupahstarSaga|SupahstarSaga]] ([[User talk:SupahstarSaga|talk]]) 15:23, 31 July 2021 (UTC) | ||
::: Reading the page Flirora linked, I now think there's a little misunderstanding here. Your "dependent" rule requires that ups and downs always be attached to a #/b/N accidental. I agree that that causes clutter. The diamond-mos rule is different; ups and downs can appear alone, but they cancel #/b/N. You can think of diamond-mos ^/v as including implicit naturals. I don't think my rule is more or less cluttered than your "independent" rule. [[User:SupahstarSaga|SupahstarSaga]] ([[User talk:SupahstarSaga|talk]]) 15:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC) | |||