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The 2.3.7 [[Just_intonation_subgroups|subgroup]] comma for the '''gamelismic clan''' is the gamelisma, [[1029/1024]], with monzo {{monzo|-10 1 0 3}}. For any member of the clan, for the rank three [[Gamelismic family #Gamelan|gamelan temperament]] itself, and for the rank two 2.3.7 temperament [[slendric]], this means three [[8/7]] intervals give a fifth, [[3/2]]. In fact, we find that 3/2 = (8/7)<sup>3</sup> × 1029/1024. From this it follows that gamelismic temperaments tend to flatten both the fifth and the 7/4, or if they do not, the other of the pair must be flattened even more. [[36edo]] is a good tuning for gamelismic itself, though if the full 7-limit is desired, [[72edo]], [[77edo]] or [[118edo]] might be preferred.
The 2.3.7 [[Just_intonation_subgroups|subgroup]] comma for the '''gamelismic clan''' is the gamelisma, [[1029/1024]], with monzo {{monzo|-10 1 0 3}}. For any member of the clan, for the rank three [[Gamelismic family #Gamelan|gamelan temperament]] itself, and for the rank two 2.3.7 temperament [[slendric]], this means three [[8/7]] intervals give a fifth, [[3/2]]. In fact, we find that 3/2 = (8/7)<sup>3</sup> × 1029/1024. From this it follows that gamelismic temperaments tend to flatten both the fifth and the 7/4, or if they do not, the other of the pair must be flattened even more. [[36edo]] is a good tuning for gamelismic itself, though if the full 7-limit is desired, [[72edo]], [[77edo]] or [[118edo]] might be preferred.


= Slendric =
== Slendric ==
{{main| Slendric }}
{{main| Slendric }}


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Scales: [[slendric5]], [[slendric6]], [[slendric11]], [[slendric16]]
Scales: [[slendric5]], [[slendric6]], [[slendric11]], [[slendric16]]


== Full seven limit extensions ==
=== Full seven limit extensions ===
To the gamelisma itself we need to add the comma which appears next on the modified [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]], which is often a 5-limit comma. The second comma on the list for mothra is 81/80, for rodan 245/243, for guiron 32805/32768, for gorgo 36/35, and for gidorah 256/245. These all use 8/7 as a generator, though in the case of gidorah that's the same as 6/5. Miracle adds 33075/32768 and uses the secor, half an 8/7, as generator. Lemba adds 525/512 to the list, and has a half-octave period. Valentine adds 6144/6125 with a generator of 21/20 and superkleismic adds 875/864 with a generator of 6/5. Unidec adds 4375/4374, and has a generator of 10/9 with a half-octave period. Hemithirds adds 65625/65536 with a generator half of a major third. Finally, tritikleismic adds 15625/15536 and has a generator of 6/5 with a 1/3 octave period.
To the gamelisma itself we need to add the comma which appears next on the modified [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]], which is often a 5-limit comma. The second comma on the list for mothra is 81/80, for rodan 245/243, for guiron 32805/32768, for gorgo 36/35, and for gidorah 256/245. These all use 8/7 as a generator, though in the case of gidorah that's the same as 6/5. Miracle adds 33075/32768 and uses the secor, half an 8/7, as generator. Lemba adds 525/512 to the list, and has a half-octave period. Valentine adds 6144/6125 with a generator of 21/20 and superkleismic adds 875/864 with a generator of 6/5. Unidec adds 4375/4374, and has a generator of 10/9 with a half-octave period. Hemithirds adds 65625/65536 with a generator half of a major third. Finally, tritikleismic adds 15625/15536 and has a generator of 6/5 with a 1/3 octave period.


Discussed elsewhere are [[blacksmith]], [[mothra]], [[echidnic]], [[trismegistus]], [[hemithirds]], [[gamity]], [[triwell]] and [[heinz]]. The rest are considered below.
Discussed elsewhere are [[blacksmith]], [[mothra]], [[echidnic]], [[trismegistus]], [[hemithirds]], [[gamity]], [[triwell]] and [[heinz]]. The rest are considered below.


== Subgroup extensions ==
=== Subgroup extensions ===
No-five subgroup extensions of slendric include [[Chromatic pairs #Radon|radon]], the 2.3.7.11 extension that may be viewed as no-five rodan, and baladic, the 2.3.7.13.17 extension, considered below.
No-five subgroup extensions of slendric include [[Chromatic pairs #Radon|radon]], the 2.3.7.11 extension that may be viewed as no-five rodan, and baladic, the 2.3.7.13.17 extension, considered below.


= Miracle =
== Miracle ==
{{main| Miracle }}
{{main| Miracle }}


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Scales: [[Miracle 10]], [[Blackjack]]
Scales: [[Miracle 10]], [[Blackjack]]


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Scales: [[Miracle 10]], [[Blackjack]]
Scales: [[Miracle 10]], [[Blackjack]]


=== Miraculous ===
==== Miraculous ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Scales: [[Miracle 10]], [[Blackjack]]
Scales: [[Miracle 10]], [[Blackjack]]


=== Benediction ===
==== Benediction ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.015715
Badness: 0.015715


==== 17-limit ====
===== 17-limit =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.012537
Badness: 0.012537


=== Manna ===
==== Manna ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.017012
Badness: 0.017012


=== Semimiracle ===
==== Semimiracle ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.024622
Badness: 0.024622


==== 17-limit ====
===== 17-limit =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.016130
Badness: 0.016130


=== Hemisecordite ===
==== Hemisecordite ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.025589
Badness: 0.025589


==== 17-limit ====
===== 17-limit =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.022535
Badness: 0.022535


=== Phicordial ===
==== Phicordial ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.033198
Badness: 0.033198


==== 17-limit ====
===== 17-limit =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.024705
Badness: 0.024705


== Revelation ==
=== Revelation ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.032946
Badness: 0.032946


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.029452
Badness: 0.029452


== Hemimiracle ==
=== Hemimiracle ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.059232
Badness: 0.059232


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.043151
Badness: 0.043151


== Oracle ==
=== Oracle ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.042687
Badness: 0.042687


= Rodan =
== Rodan ==
{{main| Rodan }}
{{main| Rodan }}


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Scales: [[Rodan26opt]], [[Rodan31opt]], [[Rodan41opt]]
Scales: [[Rodan26opt]], [[Rodan31opt]], [[Rodan41opt]]


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Scales: [[Rodan26opt]], [[Rodan31opt]], [[Rodan41opt]]
Scales: [[Rodan26opt]], [[Rodan31opt]], [[Rodan41opt]]


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Scales: [[Rodan26opt]], [[Rodan31opt]], [[Rodan41opt]]
Scales: [[Rodan26opt]], [[Rodan31opt]], [[Rodan41opt]]


==== 17-limit ====
===== 17-limit =====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Scales: [[Rodan26opt]], [[Rodan31opt]], [[Rodan41opt]]
Scales: [[Rodan26opt]], [[Rodan31opt]], [[Rodan41opt]]


=== Aerodactyl ===
==== Aerodactyl ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.033986
Badness: 0.033986


== Aerodino ==
=== Aerodino ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.054294
Badness: 0.054294


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Comma list: 91/90, 176/175, 245/243, 847/845
Comma list: 91/90, 176/175, 245/243, 847/845


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Badness: 0.035836
Badness: 0.035836


== Varan ==
=== Varan ===
Comma list: 100/99, 245/243, 1029/1024
Comma list: 100/99, 245/243, 1029/1024


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Badness: 0.044937
Badness: 0.044937


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 245/243, 352/351
Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 245/243, 352/351


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Badness: 0.032284
Badness: 0.032284


= Guiron =
== Guiron ==
{{see also| Schismatic family }}
{{see also| Schismatic family }}


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[[Badness]]: 0.047544
[[Badness]]: 0.047544


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.026648
Badness: 0.026648


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.028444
Badness: 0.028444


= Valentine =
== Valentine ==
{{main| Valentine }}
{{main| Valentine }}
{{see also| Starling temperaments #Valentine }}
{{see also| Starling temperaments #Valentine }}
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[[Badness]]: 0.122765
[[Badness]]: 0.122765


== 7-limit ==
=== 7-limit ===


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
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[[Badness]]: 0.031056
[[Badness]]: 0.031056


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.016687
Badness: 0.016687


== Dwynwen ==
=== Dwynwen ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.023461
Badness: 0.023461


== Lupercalia ==
=== Lupercalia ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.021328
Badness: 0.021328


== Valentino ==
=== Valentino ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.020665
Badness: 0.020665


== Semivalentine ==
=== Semivalentine ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.032749
Badness: 0.032749


= Unidec =
== Unidec ==
{{main| Unidec }}
{{main| Unidec }}


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Scales: [[Unidec26]]
Scales: [[Unidec26]]


== 7-limit ==
=== 7-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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Scales: [[Unidec26]]
Scales: [[Unidec26]]


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Scales: [[Unidec26]]
Scales: [[Unidec26]]


== Ekadash ==
=== Ekadash ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Scales: [[Unidec26]]
Scales: [[Unidec26]]


== Hendec ==
=== Hendec ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Scales: [[Unidec26]]
Scales: [[Unidec26]]


=== 17-limit ===
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Scales: [[Unidec26]]
Scales: [[Unidec26]]


= Hemiseven =
== Hemiseven ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Badness]]: 0.056557
[[Badness]]: 0.056557


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.028467
Badness: 0.028467


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.021900
Badness: 0.021900


== 17-limit ==
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.015701
Badness: 0.015701


= Tritikleismic =
== Tritikleismic ==
{{see also| Kleismic family #Tritikleismic }}
{{see also| Kleismic family #Tritikleismic }}


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[[Badness]]: 0.056337
[[Badness]]: 0.056337


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.019333
Badness: 0.019333


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.015652
Badness: 0.015652


== 17-limit ==
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.013551
Badness: 0.013551


= Superkleismic =
== Superkleismic ==
{{see also| Shibboleth family #Superkleismic }}
{{see also| Shibboleth family #Superkleismic }}


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[[Badness]]: 0.047932
[[Badness]]: 0.047932


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.025659
Badness: 0.025659


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.021478
Badness: 0.021478


= Gorgo =
== Gorgo ==
In the 5-limit, gorgo tempers out the '''laconic comma''', [[2187/2000]], which is the difference between three [[10/9]]'s and a [[3/2]]. Although a higher-error temperament, it does pop up enough in the low-numbered EDOs to be useful, most notably in [[16edo|16EDO]] and [[21edo|21EDO]]. The only 7-limit extension that makes any sense to use is to add the gamelisma to the comma list.
In the 5-limit, gorgo tempers out the '''laconic comma''', [[2187/2000]], which is the difference between three [[10/9]]'s and a [[3/2]]. Although a higher-error temperament, it does pop up enough in the low-numbered EDOs to be useful, most notably in [[16edo|16EDO]] and [[21edo|21EDO]]. The only 7-limit extension that makes any sense to use is to add the gamelisma to the comma list.


== 5-limit (laconic) ==
=== 5-limit (laconic) ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Subgroup: 2.3.5


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[[Badness]]: 0.161799
[[Badness]]: 0.161799


== 7-limit ==
=== 7-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Badness]]: 0.060663
[[Badness]]: 0.060663


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.049500
Badness: 0.049500


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.032664
Badness: 0.032664


== Spartan ==
=== Spartan ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.062683
Badness: 0.062683


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.047071
Badness: 0.047071


== Music ==
=== Music ===
* [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Herman/gorgo-example.mp3 Gorgo Example] by [[Herman Miller]]
* [http://clones.soonlabel.com/public/micro/gene_ward_smith/Others/Herman/gorgo-example.mp3 Gorgo Example] by [[Herman Miller]]


= Lemba =
== Lemba ==
{{main| Lemba }}
{{main| Lemba }}
{{see also| Jubilismic clan #Lemba }}
{{see also| Jubilismic clan #Lemba }}
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[[Badness]]: 0.062208
[[Badness]]: 0.062208


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,016: Line 1,016:
Badness: 0.041563
Badness: 0.041563


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.025477
Badness: 0.025477


= Gidorah =
== Gidorah ==
{{main| University temperament }}
{{main| University temperament }}


== 5-limit (university) ==
=== 5-limit (university) ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Subgroup: 2.3.5


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[[Badness]]: 0.101806
[[Badness]]: 0.101806


== 7-limit ==
=== 7-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Badness]]: 0.062262
[[Badness]]: 0.062262


= Clyndro =
== Clyndro ==
{{see also| Pelogic family }}
{{see also| Pelogic family }}


Line 1,077: Line 1,077:
[[Badness]]: 0.159179
[[Badness]]: 0.159179


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,090: Line 1,090:
Badness: 0.069703
Badness: 0.069703


= Necromanteion =
== Necromanteion ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


Line 1,105: Line 1,105:
[[Badness]]: 0.117680
[[Badness]]: 0.117680


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,118: Line 1,118:
Badness: 0.053459
Badness: 0.053459


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.047015
Badness: 0.047015


= Widefourth =
== Widefourth ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Badness]]: 0.154117
[[Badness]]: 0.154117


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,159: Line 1,159:
Badness: 0.040785
Badness: 0.040785


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,172: Line 1,172:
Badness: 0.021636
Badness: 0.021636


= Tritriple =
== Tritriple ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Subgroup: 2.3.5


Line 1,185: Line 1,185:
[[Badness]]: 0.283570
[[Badness]]: 0.283570


== 7-limit ==
=== 7-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


Line 1,200: Line 1,200:
[[Badness]]: 0.118640
[[Badness]]: 0.118640


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.035350
Badness: 0.035350


= Restles =
== Restles ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


Line 1,228: Line 1,228:
[[Badness]]: 0.108011
[[Badness]]: 0.108011


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,241: Line 1,241:
Badness: 0.054655
Badness: 0.054655


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,254: Line 1,254:
Badness: 0.028187
Badness: 0.028187


= Quartemka =
== Quartemka ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Subgroup: 2.3.5


Line 1,267: Line 1,267:
[[Badness]]: 1.381216
[[Badness]]: 1.381216


== 7-limit ==
=== 7-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


Line 1,282: Line 1,282:
[[Badness]]: 0.152287
[[Badness]]: 0.152287


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Line 1,295: Line 1,295:
Badness: 0.057307
Badness: 0.057307


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Line 1,308: Line 1,308:
Badness: 0.028393
Badness: 0.028393


= Baladic =
== Baladic ==
{{See also|Subgroup temperaments #No-fives subgroup}}
{{See also|Subgroup temperaments #No-fives subgroup}}