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'''Orson''', the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering out the semicomma, has a [[generator]] of [[75/64]], which is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo]] or [[84edo]]. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell. | '''Orson''', the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering out the semicomma, has a [[generator]] of [[75/64]], which is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo]] or [[84edo]]. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 2109375/2097152 | [[Comma list]]: 2109375/2097152 | ||
[[Mapping]]: [ | [[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 3}}, {{val| 0 7 -3}}] | ||
[[POTE generator]]: ~75/64 = 271.627 | [[POTE generator]]: ~75/64 = 271.627 | ||
[[Tuning | [[Tuning ranges]]: | ||
* valid range: [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13) | * valid range: [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13) | ||
* nice range: [271.229, 271.708] | * nice range: [271.229, 271.708] | ||
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Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has [[Retuning_12edo_to_Orwell9|considerable harmonic resources]] despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything. | Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has [[Retuning_12edo_to_Orwell9|considerable harmonic resources]] despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything. | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1728/1715 | [[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1728/1715 | ||
Mapping: [ | [[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 }}] | ||
{{Multival|legend=1| 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 }} | {{Multival|legend=1| 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 }} | ||
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[[Minimax tuning]]: | [[Minimax tuning]]: | ||
* [[7-odd-limit]] | * [[7-odd-limit]] | ||
: [|1 0 0 0 | : [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 }}] | ||
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 7/5 | : [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 7/5 | ||
* 9-odd-limit | * 9-odd-limit | ||
: [|1 0 0 0 | : [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 21/17 14/17 -7/17 0 }}, {{monzo| 42/17 -6/17 3/17 0 }}, {{monzo| 41/17 16/17 -8/17 0 }}] | ||
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 10/9 | : [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 10/9 | ||
[[Tuning ranges]]: | [[Tuning ranges]]: | ||
* valid range: [266.667, 272.727] (9 to 22) | * valid range: [266.667, 272.727] (2\9 to 5\22) | ||
* nice range: [266.871, 271.708] | * nice range: [266.871, 271.708] | ||
* strict range: [266.871, 271.708] | * strict range: [266.871, 271.708] | ||
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{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 84, 137, 221d, 358d }} | {{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 84, 137, 221d, 358d }} | ||
Badness: 0.0207 | [[Badness]]: 0.0207 | ||
== 11-limit == | == 11-limit == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175 | Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 }}] | ||
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.426 | |||
Minimax tuning: | Minimax tuning: | ||
* 11-odd-limit | * 11-odd-limit | ||
: [|1 0 0 0 0 | : [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0 }}] | ||
: | : Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/5 | ||
Tuning ranges: | Tuning ranges: | ||
* valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (31 to 22) | * valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22) | ||
* nice range: [266.871, 275.659] | * nice range: [266.871, 275.659] | ||
* strict range: [270.968, 272.727] | * strict range: [270.968, 272.727] | ||
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=== 13-limit === | === 13-limit === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273 | Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 8 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 -19 }}] | ||
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.546 | POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.546 | ||
Tuning ranges: | Tuning ranges: | ||
* valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (31 to 53) | * valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53) | ||
* nice range: [266.871, 275.659] | * nice range: [266.871, 275.659] | ||
* strict range: [270.968, 271.698] | * strict range: [270.968, 271.698] | ||
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=== Blair === | === Blair === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98 | Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 3 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 3 }}] | ||
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301 | POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301 | ||
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=== Winston === | === Winston === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120 | Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 1 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 12 }}] | ||
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.088 | |||
Tuning ranges: | Tuning ranges: | ||
* valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (31 to | * valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22) | ||
* nice range: [266.871, 281.691] | * nice range: [266.871, 281.691] | ||
* strict range: [270.968, 272.727] | * strict range: [270.968, 272.727] | ||
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=== Doublethink === | === Doublethink === | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13 | |||
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175 | Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 2 }}, {{val| 0 14 -6 16 4 15 }}] | ||
POTE generator: ~13/12 = 135.723 | POTE generator: ~13/12 = 135.723 | ||
Tuning ranges: | Tuning ranges: | ||
* valid range: [135.484, 136.364] (62 to 44) | * valid range: [135.484, 136.364] (7\62 to 5\44) | ||
* nice range: [128.298, 138.573] | * nice range: [128.298, 138.573] | ||
* strict range: [135.484, 136.364] | * strict range: [135.484, 136.364] | ||
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== Newspeak == | == Newspeak == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715 | Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 -4 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 33 }}] | ||
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.288 | POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.288 | ||
Tuning ranges: | Tuning ranges: | ||
* valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (31 to 53) | * valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53) | ||
* nice range: [266.871, 272.514] | * nice range: [266.871, 272.514] | ||
* strict range: [270.968, 271.698] | * strict range: [270.968, 271.698] | ||
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== Borwell == | == Borwell == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715 | Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val| 1 7 0 9 17 }}, {{val| 0 -14 6 -16 -35 }}] | ||
POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752 | POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752 | ||
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= Triwell = | = Triwell = | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7 | |||
[[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, 235298/234375 | [[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, 235298/234375 | ||
[[Mapping]]: [ | [[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 7 0 1 }}, {{val| 0 -21 9 7 }}] | ||
{{Multival|legend=1| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }} | {{Multival|legend=1| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }} | ||
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== 11-limit == | == 11-limit == | ||
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11 | |||
Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625 | Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625 | ||
Mapping: [ | Mapping: [{{val| 1 7 0 1 13 }}, {{val| 0 -21 9 7 -37 }}] | ||
POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471 | POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471 |
Revision as of 08:18, 21 April 2021
The 5-limit parent comma for the semicomma family is the semicomma, 2109375/2097152 = [-21 3 7⟩. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor sixths.
Orson
Orson, the 5-limit temperament tempering out the semicomma, has a generator of 75/64, which is sharper than 7/6 by 225/224 when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example 53edo or 84edo. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five cents, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.
Subgroup: 2.3.5
Comma list: 2109375/2097152
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3], ⟨0 7 -3]]
POTE generator: ~75/64 = 271.627
- valid range: [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13)
- nice range: [271.229, 271.708]
- strict range: [271.229, 271.708]
Badness: 0.0408
Seven limit children
The second comma of the normal comma list defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65536/65625 leads to orwell, but we could also add
- 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament with wedgie ⟨⟨ 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 ]], or
- 67528125/67108864, giving the 31&243 temperament with wedgie ⟨⟨ 28 -12 1 -84 -77 36 ]], or
- 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament with wedgie ⟨⟨ 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 ]].
Orwell
So called because 19\84 (as a fraction of the octave) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with 22, 31, 53 and 84 equal, and may be described as the 22&31 temperament, or ⟨⟨ 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 ]]. It's a good system in the 7-limit and naturally extends into the 11-limit. 84edo, with the 19\84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. However, the 19\84 generator is remarkably close to the 11-limit POTE tuning, as the generator is only 0.0024 cents sharper, and it is a good approximation to the 7-limit POTE generator also; hence 84 may be considered the most recommendable tuning in the 7-limit. 53edo might be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out 2430/2401, the nuwell comma, 1728/1715, the orwellisma, 225/224, the septimal kleisma, and 6144/6125, the porwell comma.
The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell.
Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 225/224, 1728/1715
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1], ⟨0 7 -3 8]]
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 ]]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.509
- [[1 0 0 0⟩, [14/11 0 -7/11 7/11⟩, [27/11 0 3/11 -3/11⟩, [27/11 0 -8/11 8/11⟩]
- Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/5
- 9-odd-limit
- [[1 0 0 0⟩, [21/17 14/17 -7/17 0⟩, [42/17 -6/17 3/17 0⟩, [41/17 16/17 -8/17 0⟩]
- Eigenmonzos: 2, 10/9
- valid range: [266.667, 272.727] (2\9 to 5\22)
- nice range: [266.871, 271.708]
- strict range: [266.871, 271.708]
Algebraic generator: Sabra3, the real root of 12x3 - 7x - 48.
Badness: 0.0207
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 3], ⟨0 7 -3 8 2]]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.426
Minimax tuning:
- 11-odd-limit
- [[1 0 0 0 0⟩, [14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0⟩, [27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0⟩, [27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0⟩, [37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0⟩]
- Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/5
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22)
- nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
- strict range: [270.968, 272.727]
Badness: 0.0152
13-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 3 8], ⟨0 7 -3 8 2 -19]]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.546
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53)
- nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
- strict range: [270.968, 271.698]
Badness: 0.0197
Blair
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 3 3], ⟨0 7 -3 8 2 3]]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: []
- nice range: [265.357, 289.210]
- strict range: []
Badness: 0.0231
Winston
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 3 1], ⟨0 7 -3 8 2 12]]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.088
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22)
- nice range: [266.871, 281.691]
- strict range: [270.968, 272.727]
Badness: 0.0199
Doublethink
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 3 2], ⟨0 14 -6 16 4 15]]
POTE generator: ~13/12 = 135.723
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: [135.484, 136.364] (7\62 to 5\44)
- nice range: [128.298, 138.573]
- strict range: [135.484, 136.364]
Badness: 0.0271
Newspeak
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715
Mapping: [⟨1 0 3 1 -4], ⟨0 7 -3 8 33]]
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.288
Tuning ranges:
- valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53)
- nice range: [266.871, 272.514]
- strict range: [270.968, 271.698]
Badness: 0.0314
Borwell
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715
Mapping: [⟨1 7 0 9 17], ⟨0 -14 6 -16 -35]]
POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752
Badness: 0.0384
Triwell
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Comma list: 1029/1024, 235298/234375
Mapping: [⟨1 7 0 1], ⟨0 -21 9 7]]
Wedgie: ⟨⟨ 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 ]]
POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.472
Badness: 0.0806
11-limit
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625
Mapping: [⟨1 7 0 1 13], ⟨0 -21 9 7 -37]]
POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471
Badness: 0.0298