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= Orson =
= Orson =
'''Orson''', the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering out the semicomma, has a [[generator]] of [[75/64]], which is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo]] or [[84edo]]. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.
'''Orson''', the [[5-limit]] temperament tempering out the semicomma, has a [[generator]] of [[75/64]], which is sharper than [[7/6]] by [[225/224]] when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example [[53edo]] or [[84edo]]. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five [[cent]]s, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.
Subgroup: 2.3.5


[[Comma list]]: 2109375/2097152
[[Comma list]]: 2109375/2097152


[[Mapping]]: [<1 0 3|, <0 7 -3|]
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 3}}, {{val| 0 7 -3}}]


[[POTE generator]]: ~75/64 = 271.627
[[POTE generator]]: ~75/64 = 271.627


[[Tuning Ranges]]:  
[[Tuning ranges]]:  
* valid range: [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13)
* valid range: [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13)
* nice range: [271.229, 271.708]
* nice range: [271.229, 271.708]
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Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has [[Retuning_12edo_to_Orwell9|considerable harmonic resources]] despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything.
Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has [[Retuning_12edo_to_Orwell9|considerable harmonic resources]] despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything.
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1728/1715
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 1728/1715


Mapping: [<1 0 3 1|, <0 7 -3 8|]
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 }}]


{{Multival|legend=1| 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 }}
{{Multival|legend=1| 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 }}
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[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit]]
* [[7-odd-limit]]
: [|1 0 0 0>, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11>, |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11>, |27/11 0 -8/11 8/11>]
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 }}]
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 7/5
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 7/5
* 9-odd-limit
* 9-odd-limit
: [|1 0 0 0>, |21/17 14/17 -7/17 0>, |42/17 -6/17 3/17 0>, |41/17 16/17 -8/17 0>]
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 21/17 14/17 -7/17 0 }}, {{monzo| 42/17 -6/17 3/17 0 }}, {{monzo| 41/17 16/17 -8/17 0 }}]
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 10/9
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 10/9


[[Tuning ranges]]:  
[[Tuning ranges]]:  
* valid range: [266.667, 272.727] (9 to 22)
* valid range: [266.667, 272.727] (2\9 to 5\22)
* nice range: [266.871, 271.708]
* nice range: [266.871, 271.708]
* strict range: [266.871, 271.708]
* strict range: [266.871, 271.708]
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{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 84, 137, 221d, 358d }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 31, 53, 84, 137, 221d, 358d }}


Badness: 0.0207
[[Badness]]: 0.0207


== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175


Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3|, <0 7 -3 8 2|]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 }}]


[[POTE generator]]: ~7/6 = 271.426
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.426


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 11-odd-limit
* 11-odd-limit
: [|1 0 0 0 0>, |14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0>, |27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0>, |27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0>, |37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0>]
: [{{monzo| 1 0 0 0 0 }}, {{monzo| 14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0 }}, {{monzo| 37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0 }}]
: [[Eigenmonzo]]s: 2, 7/5
: Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/5


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (31 to 22)
* valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22)
* nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
* nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
* strict range: [270.968, 272.727]
* strict range: [270.968, 272.727]
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=== 13-limit ===
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273


Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 8|, <0 7 -3 8 2 -19|]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 8 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 -19 }}]


POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.546
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.546


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (31 to 53)
* valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53)
* nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
* nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
* strict range: [270.968, 271.698]
* strict range: [270.968, 271.698]
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=== Blair ===
=== Blair ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98
Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98


Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 3|, <0 7 -3 8 2 3|]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 3 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 3 }}]


POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301
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=== Winston ===
=== Winston ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120
Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120


Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 1|, <0 7 -3 8 2 12|]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 1 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 2 12 }}]


[[POTE generator]]: ~7/6 = 271.088
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.088


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (31 to 22f)
* valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22)
* nice range: [266.871, 281.691]
* nice range: [266.871, 281.691]
* strict range: [270.968, 272.727]
* strict range: [270.968, 272.727]
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=== Doublethink ===
=== Doublethink ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175
Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175


Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 3 2|, <0 14 -6 16 4 15|]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 3 2 }}, {{val| 0 14 -6 16 4 15 }}]


POTE generator: ~13/12 = 135.723
POTE generator: ~13/12 = 135.723


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* valid range: [135.484, 136.364] (62 to 44)
* valid range: [135.484, 136.364] (7\62 to 5\44)
* nice range: [128.298, 138.573]
* nice range: [128.298, 138.573]
* strict range: [135.484, 136.364]
* strict range: [135.484, 136.364]
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== Newspeak ==
== Newspeak ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715
Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715


Mapping: [<1 0 3 1 -4|, <0 7 -3 8 33|]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 0 3 1 -4 }}, {{val| 0 7 -3 8 33 }}]


POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.288
POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.288


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (31 to 53)
* valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53)
* nice range: [266.871, 272.514]
* nice range: [266.871, 272.514]
* strict range: [270.968, 271.698]
* strict range: [270.968, 271.698]
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== Borwell ==
== Borwell ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715
Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715


Mapping: [<1 7 0 9 17|, <0 -14 6 -16 -35|]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 7 0 9 17 }}, {{val| 0 -14 6 -16 -35 }}]


POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752
POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752
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= Triwell =
= Triwell =
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, 235298/234375
[[Comma list]]: 1029/1024, 235298/234375


[[Mapping]]: [<1 7 0 1|, <0 -21 9 7]]
[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 7 0 1 }}, {{val| 0 -21 9 7 }}]


{{Multival|legend=1| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }}
{{Multival|legend=1| 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 }}
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== 11-limit ==
== 11-limit ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625
Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625


Mapping: [<1 7 0 1 13|, <0 -21 9 7 -37]]
Mapping: [{{val| 1 7 0 1 13 }}, {{val| 0 -21 9 7 -37 }}]


POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471
POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471

Revision as of 08:18, 21 April 2021

The 5-limit parent comma for the semicomma family is the semicomma, 2109375/2097152 = [-21 3 7. This is the amount by which three pure 3/1 twelfths exceed seven pure 8/5 minor sixths.

Orson

Orson, the 5-limit temperament tempering out the semicomma, has a generator of 75/64, which is sharper than 7/6 by 225/224 when untempered, and less sharp than that in any good orson tempering, for example 53edo or 84edo. These give tunings to the generator which are sharp of 7/6 by less than five cents, making it hard to treat orson as anything other than an (at least) 7-limit system, leading to orwell.

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: 2109375/2097152

Mapping: [1 0 3], 0 7 -3]]

POTE generator: ~75/64 = 271.627

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [257.143, 276.923] (3\14 to 3\13)
  • nice range: [271.229, 271.708]
  • strict range: [271.229, 271.708]

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Badness: 0.0408

Seven limit children

The second comma of the normal comma list defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at. Adding 65536/65625 leads to orwell, but we could also add

  • 1029/1024, leading to the 31&159 temperament with wedgie ⟨⟨ 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 ]], or
  • 67528125/67108864, giving the 31&243 temperament with wedgie ⟨⟨ 28 -12 1 -84 -77 36 ]], or
  • 4375/4374, giving the 53&243 temperament with wedgie ⟨⟨ 7 -3 61 -21 77 150 ]].

Orwell

So called because 19\84 (as a fraction of the octave) is a possible generator of this temperament, orwell divides the interval of a twelfth (a tempered 3/1 frequency ratio) into 7 equal steps. It's compatible with 22, 31, 53 and 84 equal, and may be described as the 22&31 temperament, or ⟨⟨ 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 ]]. It's a good system in the 7-limit and naturally extends into the 11-limit. 84edo, with the 19\84 generator, provides a good tuning for the 5, 7 and 11 limits, but it does use its second-best 11. However, the 19\84 generator is remarkably close to the 11-limit POTE tuning, as the generator is only 0.0024 cents sharper, and it is a good approximation to the 7-limit POTE generator also; hence 84 may be considered the most recommendable tuning in the 7-limit. 53edo might be preferred in the 5-limit because of its nearly pure fifth and in the 11-limit because of it slightly better 11, though most of its 11-limit harmony is actually worse. Aside from the semicomma and 65625/65536, 7-limit orwell tempers out 2430/2401, the nuwell comma, 1728/1715, the orwellisma, 225/224, the septimal kleisma, and 6144/6125, the porwell comma.

The 11-limit version of orwell tempers out 99/98, which means that two of its sharpened 7/6 generators give a flattened 11/8, as well as 121/120, 176/175, 385/384 and 540/539. Despite lowered tuning accuracy, orwell comes into its own in the 11-limit, giving acceptable accuracy and relatively low complexity. Tempering out the orwellisma, 1728/1715, means that orwell interprets three stacked 7/6 generators as an 8/5, and the tempered 1-7/6-11/8-8/5 chord is natural to orwell.

Orwell has MOS of size 9, 13, 22 and 31. The 9-note MOS is small enough to be retained in the mind as a genuine scale, is pleasing melodically, and has considerable harmonic resources despite its absence of 5-limit triads. The 13 note MOS has those, and of course the 22 and 31 note MOS are very well supplied with everything.

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 225/224, 1728/1715

Mapping: [1 0 3 1], 0 7 -3 8]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 7 -3 8 -21 -7 27 ]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.509

Minimax tuning:

[[1 0 0 0, [14/11 0 -7/11 7/11, [27/11 0 3/11 -3/11, [27/11 0 -8/11 8/11]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/5
  • 9-odd-limit
[[1 0 0 0, [21/17 14/17 -7/17 0, [42/17 -6/17 3/17 0, [41/17 16/17 -8/17 0]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 10/9

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [266.667, 272.727] (2\9 to 5\22)
  • nice range: [266.871, 271.708]
  • strict range: [266.871, 271.708]

Algebraic generator: Sabra3, the real root of 12x3 - 7x - 48.

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Badness: 0.0207

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 3], 0 7 -3 8 2]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.426

Minimax tuning:

  • 11-odd-limit
[[1 0 0 0 0, [14/11 0 -7/11 7/11 0, [27/11 0 3/11 -3/11 0, [27/11 0 -8/11 8/11 0, [37/11 0 -2/11 2/11 0]
Eigenmonzos: 2, 7/5

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22)
  • nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
  • strict range: [270.968, 272.727]

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Badness: 0.0152

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 176/175, 275/273

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 3 8], 0 7 -3 8 2 -19]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.546

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53)
  • nice range: [266.871, 275.659]
  • strict range: [270.968, 271.698]

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Badness: 0.0197

Blair

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 65/64, 78/77, 91/90, 99/98

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 3 3], 0 7 -3 8 2 3]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.301

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: []
  • nice range: [265.357, 289.210]
  • strict range: []

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Badness: 0.0231

Winston

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 66/65, 99/98, 105/104, 121/120

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 3 1], 0 7 -3 8 2 12]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.088

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [270.968, 272.727] (7\31 to 5\22)
  • nice range: [266.871, 281.691]
  • strict range: [270.968, 272.727]

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Badness: 0.0199

Doublethink

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 99/98, 121/120, 169/168, 176/175

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 3 2], 0 14 -6 16 4 15]]

POTE generator: ~13/12 = 135.723

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [135.484, 136.364] (7\62 to 5\44)
  • nice range: [128.298, 138.573]
  • strict range: [135.484, 136.364]

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Badness: 0.0271

Newspeak

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 225/224, 441/440, 1728/1715

Mapping: [1 0 3 1 -4], 0 7 -3 8 33]]

POTE generator: ~7/6 = 271.288

Tuning ranges:

  • valid range: [270.968, 271.698] (7\31 to 12\53)
  • nice range: [266.871, 272.514]
  • strict range: [270.968, 271.698]

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Badness: 0.0314

Borwell

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 225/224, 243/242, 1728/1715

Mapping: [1 7 0 9 17], 0 -14 6 -16 -35]]

POTE generator: ~55/36 = 735.752

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Badness: 0.0384

Triwell

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 1029/1024, 235298/234375

Mapping: [1 7 0 1], 0 -21 9 7]]

Wedgie⟨⟨ 21 -9 -7 -63 -70 9 ]]

POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.472

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Badness: 0.0806

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 385/384, 441/440, 456533/455625

Mapping: [1 7 0 1 13], 0 -21 9 7 -37]]

POTE generator: ~448/375 = 309.471

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Badness: 0.0298