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'''Blackdye''' is a 10-note, [[dipentatonic scale|dipentatonic]] [[AG]] scale with step pattern 5L 2M 3S (SLMLSLMLSL), equivalent to the [[5L 5s]] mos with two of the small steps made larger and the other three made smaller. Unlike [[diasem]], another diatonic-based scale with comma steps, blackdye is not [[chirality|chiral]]. It can be tuned as a [[5-limit]] JI scale or a tempered version thereof, where L represents [[10/9]], M represents [[16/15]], and S represents [[81/80]]. The scale can be generated by an alternating chain of [[10/9]] and [[6/5]]. Blackdye can, of course, be used in 5-limit edos that do not temper out [[81/80]], such as [[22edo]] and [[34edo]]; however, there are more exotic tunings of the scale, such as [[29edo]]'s 4:3:1, [[32edo]]'s 4:3:2 and 5:2:1, and [[36edo]]'s 5:4:1.
'''Blackdye''' (also denoted 3s in [[groundfault]]'s [[aberrismic theory]]) is a 10-note, [[bipentatonic scale|bipentatonic]], [[generator-offset]] scale with [[step signature]] 5L 2m 3s ([[step pattern]] sLmLsLmLsL), equivalent to the [[5L 5s]] mos with two of the small steps made larger and the other three made smaller. Unlike [[diasem]], another diatonic-based scale with comma steps, blackdye is not [[chirality|chiral]]. It can be tuned as a [[5-limit]] JI scale or a tempered version thereof, where L represents [[10/9]], m represents [[16/15]], and s represents [[81/80]]. Under this interpretation, the scale has two chains of [[3/2]] generators with an offset of [[10/9]]. Blackdye can, of course, be used in 5-limit [[equal temperament]]s that do not temper out [[81/80]], such as [[22edo]] and [[34edo]]; however, there are more exotic tunings of the scale, such as [[32edo]]'s 5:2:1 and [[37edo]]'s 6:2:1, which have [[neogothic]] thirds and [[naiadic]]s instead of 5-limit thirds and Pythagorean thirds, and [[29edo]]'s 4:3:1 and [[36edo]]'s 5:4:1, which have submajor and supraminor thirds instead of 5-limit thirds. One can even interpret diasem as a [[negative-s blackdye|9-note subset of blackdye with a negative s step]].


Blackdye is a 10-note extension of the Zarlino pattern 3L 2m 2s, LmsLmLs.
Blackdye is a 10-note extension of the [[nicetone]] scale 3L 2M 2s, LMsLMLs.


"Blackdye" is a name given by [[User:ks26|ks26]]. The name is a pun on "blackwood" and "diatonic" since its step sizes are intermediate between that of [[diatonic]] (5L 2s) and [[blackwood]][10] ([[5L 5s]]).
''Blackdye'', a name given by groundfault, is a pun on "Blackwood" and "diatonic" since its step sizes are intermediate between that of [[diatonic]] (5L 2s) and [[Blackwood]][10] ([[5L 5s]]).
 
[[Category:AG scales]]


== Intervals ==
== Intervals ==
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! [[34edo]] (L:m:s = 5:3:1)
! [[34edo]] (L:m:s = 5:3:1)
|-
|-
!|[[TAMNAMS|1-step]]
!|[[TAMNAMS|1-steps]]
| s<br/>m<br/>L  
| s<br/>m<br/>L  
| 81/80, 21.51¢<br/>16/15, 111.73¢<br/>10/9, 182.40¢
| 81/80, 21.51¢<br/>16/15, 111.73¢<br/>10/9, 182.40¢
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| 1\34, 35.29¢<br/>3\34, 105.88¢<br/>5\34, 176.47¢
| 1\34, 35.29¢<br/>3\34, 105.88¢<br/>5\34, 176.47¢
|-
|-
!|[[TAMNAMS|2-step]]
!|[[TAMNAMS|2-steps]]
| L + s<br/>L + m  
| L + s<br/>L + m  
| 9/8, 203.91¢<br/>32/27, 294.14¢
| 9/8, 203.91¢<br/>32/27, 294.14¢
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| 6\34, 211.77¢<br/>8\34, 282.35¢
| 6\34, 211.77¢<br/>8\34, 282.35¢
|-  
|-  
!|[[TAMNAMS|3-step]]
!|[[TAMNAMS|3-steps]]
| L + 2s<br/>L + m + s<br/>2L + s<br/>2L + m
| L + 2s<br/>L + m + s<br/>2L + s<br/>2L + m
| 729/640‚ 225.42¢<br/>6/5, 315.64¢<br/>5/4, 386.31¢<br/>320/243, 476.54¢
| 729/640‚ 225.42¢<br/>6/5, 315.64¢<br/>5/4, 386.31¢<br/>320/243, 476.54¢
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| 7\34, 247.06¢<br/>9\34, 317.65¢<br/>11\34, 388.24¢<br/>13\34, 458.82¢
| 7\34, 247.06¢<br/>9\34, 317.65¢<br/>11\34, 388.24¢<br/>13\34, 458.82¢
|-  
|-  
!|[[TAMNAMS|4-step]]
!|[[TAMNAMS|4-steps]]
| 2L + 2s<br/>2L + m + s
| 2L + 2s<br/>2L + m + s
| 81/64, 407.82¢<br/>4/3, 498.04¢
| 81/64, 407.82¢<br/>4/3, 498.04¢
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| 12\34, 423.53¢<br/>14\34, 494.12¢
| 12\34, 423.53¢<br/>14\34, 494.12¢
|-
|-
!|[[TAMNAMS|5-step]]
!|[[TAMNAMS|5-steps]]
| 2L + m + 2s<br/>2L + 2m + s<br/>3L + 2s<br/>3L + m + s
| 2L + m + 2s<br/>2L + 2m + s<br/>3L + 2s<br/>3L + m + s
| 27/20, 519.55¢<br/>64/45, 609.78¢<br/>45/32, 590.22¢<br/>40/27, 680.45¢
| 27/20, 519.55¢<br/>64/45, 609.78¢<br/>45/32, 590.22¢<br/>40/27, 680.45¢
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| 15\34, 529.41¢<br/>17\34, 600.00¢<br/>17\34, 600.00¢<br/>19\34, 670.59¢
| 15\34, 529.41¢<br/>17\34, 600.00¢<br/>17\34, 600.00¢<br/>19\34, 670.59¢
|-
|-
!|[[TAMNAMS|6-step]]
!|[[TAMNAMS|6-steps]]
| 3L + m + 2s<br/>3L + 2m + s
| 3L + m + 2s<br/>3L + 2m + s
| 3/2, 701.96¢<br/>128/81, 792.18¢
| 3/2, 701.96¢<br/>128/81, 792.18¢
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| 20\34, 705.88¢<br/>22\34, 776.47¢
| 20\34, 705.88¢<br/>22\34, 776.47¢
|-  
|-  
!|[[TAMNAMS|7-step]]
!|[[TAMNAMS|7-steps]]
| 3L + m + 3s<br/>3L + 2m + 2s<br/>4L + m + 2s<br/>4L + 2m + s
| 3L + m + 3s<br/>3L + 2m + 2s<br/>4L + m + 2s<br/>4L + 2m + s
| 243/160, 723.46¢<br/>8/5, 813.69¢<br/>5/3, 884.36¢<br/>1280/729, 974.58¢
| 243/160, 723.46¢<br/>8/5, 813.69¢<br/>5/3, 884.36¢<br/>1280/729, 974.58¢
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| 21\34, 741.18¢<br/>23\34, 811.77¢<br/>25\34, 882.35¢<br/>27\34, 952.94¢
| 21\34, 741.18¢<br/>23\34, 811.77¢<br/>25\34, 882.35¢<br/>27\34, 952.94¢
|-  
|-  
!|[[TAMNAMS|8-step]]
!|[[TAMNAMS|8-steps]]
| 4L + m + 3s<br/>4L + 2m + 2s
| 4L + m + 3s<br/>4L + 2m + 2s
| 27/16, 905.87¢<br/>16/9, 996.09¢
| 27/16, 905.87¢<br/>16/9, 996.09¢
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| 26\34, 917.65¢<br/>28\34, 988.24¢
| 26\34, 917.65¢<br/>28\34, 988.24¢
|-
|-
!|[[TAMNAMS|9-step]]
!|[[TAMNAMS|9-steps]]
| 5L + 2m + s<br/>5L + m + 2s<br/>4L + 2m + 2s
| 5L + 2m + s<br/>5L + m + 2s<br/>4L + 2m + 2s
| 9/5, 1017.60¢<br/>15/8, 1088.27¢<br/>160/81, 1178.49¢
| 9/5, 1017.60¢<br/>15/8, 1088.27¢<br/>160/81, 1178.49¢
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== Modes ==
== Modes ==
=== Cyclic order ===
The modes arranged in cyclic order: (Note: The mode names are based on the 5-limit JI interpretation; modes in a less JI-like tuning may differ greatly from what these names suggest.)
The modes arranged in cyclic order: (Note: The mode names are based on the 5-limit JI interpretation; modes in a less JI-like tuning may differ greatly from what these names suggest.)
{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
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! style="text-align:center;" |Name
! style="text-align:center;" |Name
|-
|-
| | SLMLSLMLSL
| | sLmLsLmLsL
| | Blackdye Bright Aeolian
| | Blackdye Acute Aeolian
|-
|-
| | LMLSLMLSLS
| | LmLsLmLsLs
| | Blackdye Dark Aeolian
| | Blackdye Grave Aeolian
|-
|-
| | MLSLMLSLSL
| | mLsLmLsLsL
| | Blackdye Locrian
| | Blackdye Locrian
|-
|-
| | LSLMLSLSLM
| | LsLmLsLsLm
| | Blackdye Ionian
| | Blackdye Ionian
|-
|-
| | SLMLSLSLML
| | sLmLsLsLmL
| | Blackdye Bright Dorian
| | Blackdye Acute Dorian
|-
|-
| | LMLSLSLMLS
| | LmLsLsLmLs
| | Blackdye Dark Dorian
| | Blackdye Grave Dorian
|-
|-
| | MLSLSLMLSL
| | mLsLsLmLsL
| | Blackdye Phrygian
| | Blackdye Phrygian
|-
|-
| | LSLSLMLSLM
| | LsLsLmLsLm
| | Blackdye Lydian
| | Blackdye Lydian
|-
|-
| | SLSLMLSLML
| | sLsLmLsLmL
| | Blackdye Bright Mixo
| | Blackdye Acute Mixo
|-
|-
| | LSLMLSLMLS
| | LsLmLsLmLs
| | Blackdye Dark Mixo
| | Blackdye Grave Mixo
|}
|}
=== By generator chain ===
Because blackdye has two chains of 5 fifth generators, it has two chains of 5 modes each separated by one generator:
* Lydian > Ionian > Grave Mixo > Grave Dorian > Grave Aeolian
* Acute Mixo > Acute Dorian > Acute Aeolian > Phrygian > Locrian


== Properties ==
== Properties ==
# The fifth (3L + M + 2S) of blackdye must be a diatonic fifth. <!--
# Assuming positive step sizes, the fifth (3L + m + 2s) of blackdye must be a diatonic fifth.<!--
#* (To see this: Consider the chain of fifths generated by the fifth. The diatonic chroma = 7 fifths - 4 octaves = 21L + 7M + 14S - (20L + 8M + 12S) = L - M + 2S. Since L - M >= 0, this must always be nonnegative, so the fifth must be >= 4\7. The fifth cannot be sharper than 3\5, since it generates the [[2L 3s|2L' 3s']] subset of blackdye with L' = ML and s' = SL.)-->
#* (To see this: Consider the chain of fifths generated by the fifth. The diatonic chroma = 7 fifths - 4 octaves = 21L + 7m + 14s - (20L + 8m + 12s) = L - m + 2s. Since L - m >= 0, this must always be nonnegative, so the fifth must be >= 4\7. The fifth cannot be sharper than 3\5, since it generates the [[2L 3s|2L' 3s']] subset of blackdye with L' = mL and s' = sL.)-->
# The fifth is:
# Assuming positive step sizes, the fifth is:
#* sharper than 700¢, if L + 3S > 2M
#* sharper than 700¢, if L + 3s > 2m
#* equal to 700¢, if L + 3S = 2M
#* equal to 700¢, if L + 3s = 2m
#* flatter than 700¢, if L + 3S < 2M
#* flatter than 700¢, if L + 3s < 2m


== Tunings ==
== Tunings ==
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|+ Blackdye tunings
|+ Blackdye tunings
! rowspan="2" |Tuning
! rowspan="2" |Tuning
! rowspan="2" |L:M:S
! rowspan="2" |L:m:s
! colspan="9" |Degrees of the mode SLMLSLMLSL
! colspan="9" |Degrees of the mode sLmLsLmLsL
|-
|-
!1!!2!!3!!4!!5!!6!!7!!8!!9
!1!!2!!3!!4!!5!!6!!7!!8!!9
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|-
|-
| JI    || 8.481:5.195:1
| JI    || 8.481:5.195:1
|| 21.506… || 203.910… || 315.641… || 498.045… || 519.551… || 701.955… || 813.686… || 996.090… || 1017.596…
|| 21.506 || 203.910 || 315.641 || 498.045 || 519.551 || 701.955 || 813.686 || 996.090 || 1017.596
|-
|-
| 22edo || 3:2:1
| 22edo || 3:2:1
|| 54.{{Overline|54}} || 218.{{Overline|18}} || 327.{{Overline|27}} || 490.{{Overline|90}} || 545.{{Overline|45}} || 709.{{Overline|09}} || 818.{{Overline|18}} || 981.{{Overline|81}} || 1036.{{Overline|36}}
|| 54.545 || 218.182 || 327.273 || 490.909 || 545.455 || 709.090 || 818.182 || 981.818 || 1036.364
|-
|-
| 27edo || 4:2:1
| 27edo || 4:2:1
|| 44.{{Overline|4}} || 222.{{Overline|2}} || 311.{{Overline|1}} || 488.{{Overline|8}} || 533.{{Overline|3}} || 711.{{Overline|1}} || 800.000 || 977.{{Overline|7}} || 1022.{{Overline|2}}
|| 44.444 || 222.222 || 311.111 || 488.889 || 533.333 || 711.111 || 800.000 || 977.778 || 1022.222
|-
|-
| 29edo || 4:3:1
| 29edo || 4:3:1
|| 41.379… || 206.896… || 331.034… || 496.551… || 537.931… || 703.448… || 827.586… || 993.103… || 1034.482…
|| 41.379 || 206.897 || 331.034 || 496.551 || 537.931 || 703.448 || 827.586 || 993.103 || 1034.483
|-
|-
| 32edo || 4:3:2  
| 32edo || 4:3:2  
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|-
|-
| 34edo || 5:3:1  
| 34edo || 5:3:1  
|| 35.294… || 211.764… || 317.647… || 494.117… || 529.411… || 705.882… || 811.764… || 988.235… || 1023.529…
|| 35.294 || 211.765 || 317.647 || 494.117 || 529.412 || 705.882 || 811.764 || 988.235 || 1023.529
|-
|-
| 37edo || 5:3:2  
| 37edo || 5:3:2  
|| 64.{{Overline|864}} || 227.{{Overline|027}} || 324.{{Overline|324}} || 486.{{Overline|486}} || 551.{{Overline|351}} || 713.{{Overline|513}} || 810.{{Overline|810}} || 972.{{Overline|972}} || 1037.{{Overline|837}}
|| 64.865 || 227.027 || 324.324 || 486.486 || 551.351 || 713.514 || 810.810 || 972.973 || 1037.838
|-
|-
| 36edo || 5:4:1
| 36edo || 5:4:1
|| 33.{{Overline|3}} || 200.000 || 333.{{Overline|3}} || 500.000 || 533.{{Overline|3}} || 700.000 || 833.{{Overline|3}} || 1000.000 || 1033.{{Overline|3}}
|| 33.333 || 200.000 || 333.333 || 500.000 || 533.333 || 700.000 || 833.333 || 1000.000 || 1033.333
|-
|-
| 39edo || 5:4:2
| 39edo || 5:4:2
|| 61.538… || 215.384… || 338.461… || 492.307… || 553.846… || 707.692… || 830.769… || 984.615… || 1046.153…
|| 61.538 || 215.385 || 338.462 || 492.308 || 553.846 || 707.692 || 830.769 || 984.615 || 1046.154
|-
|-
| 42edo || 5:4:3
| 42edo || 5:4:3
|| 85.714… || 228.571… || 342.857… || 485.714… || 571.428… || 714.285… || 828.571… || 971.428… || 1057.142…
|| 85.714 || 228.571 || 342.857 || 485.714 || 571.429 || 714.286 || 828.571 || 971.429 || 1057.143 
|-
| 39edo || 5:4:2
|| 61.538 || 215.385 || 338.462 || 492.308 || 553.846 || 707.692 || 830.769 || 984.615 || 1046.154
|-
|-
| 37edo || 6:2:1
| 37edo || 6:2:1
|| 32.{{Overline|432}} || 227.{{Overline|027}} || 291.{{Overline|891}} || 486.{{Overline|486}} || 518.{{Overline|918}} || 713.{{Overline|513}} || 778.{{Overline|378}} || 972.{{Overline|972}} || 1005.{{Overline|405}}
|| 32.432 || 227.027 || 291.892 || 486.486 || 518.919 || 713.514 || 778.378 || 972.973 || 1005.405
|-
|-
| 39edo || 6:3:1
| 39edo || 6:3:1
|| 30.769… || 215.384… || 307.692… || 492.307… || 523.076… || 707.692… || 800.000 || 984.615… || 1015.384…
|| 30.769 || 215.385 || 307.692 || 492.308 || 523.077 || 707.692 || 800.000 || 984.615 || 1015.384
|-
|-
| 42edo || 6:3:2
| 42edo || 6:3:2
|| 57.142… || 228.571… || 314.285… || 485.714… || 542.857… || 714.285… || 800.000 || 971.428… || 1028.571…
|| 57.143 || 228.571 || 314.286 || 485.714 || 542.857 || 714.286 || 800.000 || 971.429 || 1028.571
|-
|-
| 41edo || 6:4:1
| 41edo || 6:4:1
|| 29.268… || 204.878… || 321.951… || 497.560… || 526.829… || 702.439… || 819.512… || 995.121… || 1024.390…
|| 29.268 || 204.878 || 321.951 || 497.561 || 526.829 || 702.439 || 819.512 || 995.122 || 1024.390
|-
|-
| 47edo || 6:4:3
| 47edo || 6:4:3
|| 76.595… || 229.787… || 331.914… || 485.106… || 561.702… || 714.893… || 817.021… || 970.212… || 1046.808…
|| 76.596 || 229.787 || 331.915 || 485.106 || 561.702 || 702.439 || 714.894 || 970.213 || 1046.809
|-
|43edo
|6:5:1
|27.906…
|195.348…
|334.883…
|502.325…
|530.232…
|697.674…
|837.209…
|1004.651…
|1032.558…
|-
|46edo
|6:5:2
|52.173…
|208.695…
|339.130…
|495.652…
|547.826…
|704.347…
|834.783…
|991.304…
|1043.478…
|-
|49edo
|6:5:3
|73.469…
|220.408…
|342.857…
|489.795…
|538.775…
|710.204…
|808.163…
|979.591…
|1053.061…
|-
|52edo
|6:5:4
|92.307…
|230.769…
|346.153…
|484.615…
|576.923…
|715.384…
|830.769…
|969.230…
|1061.538…
|-
|-
| 42edo || 7:2:1
| 42edo || 7:2:1
|| 28.571… || 228.571… || 285.714… || 485.714… || 514.285… || 714.285… || 771.428… || 971.428… || 1000.000
|| 28.571 || 228.571 || 285.714 || 485.714 || 514.286 || 714.286 || 771.429 || 971.429 || 1000.000
|-
|-
| 44edo || 7:3:1
| 44edo || 7:3:1
|| 27.{{Overline|27}} || 218.{{Overline|18}} || 300.000 || 490.{{Overline|90}} || 518.{{Overline|18}} || 709.{{Overline|09}} || 790.{{Overline|90}} || 981.{{Overline|81}} || 1009.{{Overline|09}}
|| 27.273 || 218.182 || 300.000 || 490.909 || 518.182 || 709.091 || 790.901 || 981.818 || 1009.091
|-
|47edo
|7:3:2
|51.063…
|229.787…
|306.382…
|485.106…
|536.170…
|714.893…
|791.489…
|970.212…
|1021.276…
|-
|-
| 46edo || 7:4:1
| 46edo || 7:4:1
|| 26.087… || 208.695… || 313.043… || 495.652… || 521.739… || 704.347… || 808.695… || 991.304… || 1017.391…
|| 26.087 || 208.696 || 313.043 || 495.652 || 521.739 || 704.348 || 808.696 || 991.304 || 1017.391
|-
|49edo
|7:4:2
|48.979…
|220.408…
|318.367…
|489.795…
|538.775…
|710.204…
|808.163…
|979.591…
|1028.571…
|-
|52edo
|7:4:3
|69.230…
|230.769…
|323.077…
|484.615…
|553.846…
|715.384…
|784.615…
|969.230…
|1038.461…
|-
|-
| 53edo || 8:5:1
| 53edo || 8:5:1
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== Example ==
== Example ==
An example in Blackdye Bright Aeolian, SLMLSLMLSL ([[:File:Blackdye Aeolian Example Score.pdf|score]])
An example in Blackdye Acute Aeolian, sLmLsLmLsL ([[:File:Blackdye Aeolian Example Score.pdf|score]])
 
[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 22edo.mp3]] [[22edo]] (L:m:s = 3:2:1)


[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 22edo.mp3]] [[22edo]] (L:M:S = 3:2:1)
[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 27edo.mp3]] [[27edo]] (L:m:s = 4:2:1)


[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 27edo.mp3]] [[27edo]] (L:M:S = 4:2:1)
[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 29edo.mp3]] [[29edo]] (L:m:s = 4:3:1)


[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 29edo.mp3]] [[29edo]] (L:M:S = 4:3:1)
[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 32edo 5_2_1.mp3]] [[32edo]] (L:m:s = 5:2:1)


[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 32edo 5_2_1.mp3]] [[32edo]] (L:M:S = 5:2:1)
[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 34edo.mp3]] [[34edo]] (L:m:s = 5:3:1)


[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 34edo.mp3]] [[34edo]] (L:M:S = 5:3:1)
[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 36edo.mp3]] [[36edo]] (L:m:s = 5:4:1)


[[File:Blackdye Aeolian Example 36edo.mp3]] [[36edo]] (L:M:S = 5:4:1)
== Scala files ==
* [[SNS ((2/1, 3/2)-5, 10/9)-10]]
 
== Music ==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGaiFU_S2WI ''squid''] (2024) by [[Abnormality]]


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Diasem]], a similar diatonic-like mos detempering but for 2.3.7
* [[Diasem]], a similar diatonic-like mos detempering but for 2.3.7
* [[Nicetone]], a subset of blackdye
== External links ==
* [https://sw3.lumipakkanen.com/scale/9kkiMRL__ 5-limit JI blackdye in Scale Workshop]
* [https://sw3.lumipakkanen.com/scale/9kkCrGrsY 27edo blackdye in Scale Workshop]
* [https://sw3.lumipakkanen.com/scale/9kkWpQX9k 32edo blackdye in Scale Workshop]
* [https://sw3.lumipakkanen.com/scale/9kkLl2oWP 34edo blackdye in Scale Workshop]


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