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The [[superparticular]] interval '''28/27''', '''septimal third-tone''' has the seventh [[triangular number]] as a numerator and is the difference between [[15/14]] and [[10/9]], [[9/8]] and [[7/6]], [[9/7]] and [[4/3]], [[3/2]] and [[14/9]], [[12/7]] and [[16/9]], and [[9/5]] and [[28/15]].  
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== Terminology ==
28/27 is traditionally called the '''small septimal chroma''', perhaps for its proximity (and conflation in systems like [[septimal meantone]]) with the classic chroma, [[25/24]]. However, it is a ''[[diatonic semitone]]'' in just intonation notation systems such as [[Sagittal notation]], [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation]], and the [[Functional Just System]], viewed as the [[256/243|Pythagorean limma (256/243)]] altered by the [[64/63|septimal comma (64/63)]]. Hence, it may be described as the '''septimal minor second''' or '''septimal subminor second''' if treated as an interval in its own right. This is analogous to the septimal major second [[8/7]], which has the same relationship with [[9/8]], and such classification suggests the function of a strong leading tone added to the traditional harmony.
 
== Approximation ==
This interval is very accurately approximated by [[19edo]] (1\19), and hence the [[enneadecal]] temperament.  
 
== Temperaments ==
If treated as a [[comma]] to be tempered out, 28/27 may be called the '''trienstonic comma''', which leads to the '''trienstonic temperaments'''. See [[Trienstonic clan]] for the rank-2 clan of temperaments where it is tempered out.
 
== Notation ==
=== Sagittal notation ===
In the [[Sagittal]] system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal {{sagittal| (|\ }} and is called the '''7 large diesis''', or '''7L''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 7/1 (equivalently, 7/4), as for example in C–A{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal | (|\ }}. The primary role of {{sagittal| (|\ }} is [[8505/8192 #Sagittal notation|8505/8192]] (35L). The downward version is called '''1/7L''' or '''7L down''' and is represented (in a secondary role) by {{sagittal| (!/ }}.
 
== See also ==
* [[27/14]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[81/56]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[9/7]] – its [[fourth complement]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[Trienstonisma]], the difference by which a stack of five 28/27's falls short of [[6/5]]
 
[[Category:Second]]
[[Category:Semitone]]
[[Category:Third tone]]
[[Category:Chroma]]
[[Category:Trienstonic]]
[[Category:Commas named for the intervals they stack]]
 
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Interval information
Ratio 28/27
Factorization 22 × 3-3 × 7
Monzo [2 -3 0 1
Size in cents 62.9609¢
Names septimal third-tone,
small septimal chroma,
subminor second,
septimal minor second,
septimal subminor second,
trienstonic comma
Color name z2, zo 2nd
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{m2}^{7} }[/math]
Special properties superparticular,
reduced
Tenney height (log2 nd) 9.56224
Weil height (log2 max(n, d)) 9.61471
Wilson height (sopfr(nd)) 20
Comma size medium
S-expressions S7 × S8,
S4 / S6

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The superparticular interval 28/27, septimal third-tone has the seventh triangular number as a numerator and is the difference between 15/14 and 10/9, 9/8 and 7/6, 9/7 and 4/3, 3/2 and 14/9, 12/7 and 16/9, and 9/5 and 28/15.

Terminology

28/27 is traditionally called the small septimal chroma, perhaps for its proximity (and conflation in systems like septimal meantone) with the classic chroma, 25/24. However, it is a diatonic semitone in just intonation notation systems such as Sagittal notation, Helmholtz–Ellis notation, and the Functional Just System, viewed as the Pythagorean limma (256/243) altered by the septimal comma (64/63). Hence, it may be described as the septimal minor second or septimal subminor second if treated as an interval in its own right. This is analogous to the septimal major second 8/7, which has the same relationship with 9/8, and such classification suggests the function of a strong leading tone added to the traditional harmony.

Approximation

This interval is very accurately approximated by 19edo (1\19), and hence the enneadecal temperament.

Temperaments

If treated as a comma to be tempered out, 28/27 may be called the trienstonic comma, which leads to the trienstonic temperaments. See Trienstonic clan for the rank-2 clan of temperaments where it is tempered out.

Notation

Sagittal notation

In the Sagittal system, this comma (possibly tempered) is represented (in a secondary role) by the sagittal ⁠ ⁠ and is called the 7 large diesis, or 7L for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 7/1 (equivalently, 7/4), as for example in C–A⁠ ⁠⁠ ⁠. The primary role of ⁠ ⁠ is 8505/8192 (35L). The downward version is called 1/7L or 7L down and is represented (in a secondary role) by ⁠ ⁠.

See also