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== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
From a no-twos perspective, 28edt has a nearly-pure 5th harmonic (which tritave-reduces to [[5/3]]), with 41/28 being a continued fraction [[convergent]] to log<sub>3</sub>(5). It poorly approximates harmonic 7, but has an acceptable approximation of harmonic 11, so it makes sense to consider it as a [[3.5.11 subgroup]] system. In the 3.5.11 subgroup, it supports | From a no-twos perspective, 28edt has a nearly-pure 5th harmonic (which tritave-reduces to [[5/3]]), with 41/28 being a continued fraction [[convergent]] to log<sub>3</sub>(5). It poorly approximates harmonic 7, but has an acceptable approximation of harmonic 11, so it makes sense to consider it as a [[3.5.11 subgroup]] system. In the 3.5.11 subgroup, it tempers out the commas [[6655/6561]] and [[4-cent comma|1953125/1948617]]. The former means it supports [[deneb]] temperament, which equates 3 flat [[11/9]]s to [[5/3]], and the latter means it supports [[delta centauri]] temperament, which equates 9 near-just [[5/3]]s tritave-reduced to [[11/9]] (although delta centauri is a [[microtemperament]] and larger EDTs like [[71edt]] offer much better tunings of it). [[56edt]] rectifies the approximation of the 7th harmonic. | ||
28edt has a very accurate [[8/1|8th harmonic]], and as such, one step is very close to every third step of [[53edo]], and the tritave-reduced 8th harmonic [[8/3]] and tritave-reduced 8th subharmonic [[9/8]] are equally well-approximated. It tempers out the [[schisma]] in the 8.3.5 subgroup, albeit a really strange tuning due to being a multiple of 4edt and being index-2 in BP. It can also be used for the 3.5 | 28edt has a very accurate [[8/1|8th harmonic]], and as such, one step is very close to every third step of [[53edo]], and the tritave-reduced 8th harmonic [[8/3]] and tritave-reduced 8th subharmonic [[9/8]] are equally well-approximated. It tempers out the [[schisma]] in the 8.3.5 subgroup, albeit a really strange tuning due to being a multiple of 4edt and being index-2 in BP. It can also be used for the 3.8.5.11 extension of deneb temperament equating +5 generators to 8/3. | ||
Similar to how 14edt can be seen as [[9edo]] with significantly [[stretched and compressed tuning|stretched]] [[octave]]s (~23{{c}}), 28edt can be seen as [[18edo]] with the same stretched octave. Note that using the stretched octave will map 8/1 to an inconsistent approximation rather than the aforementioned accurate 8/1. Considering that [[29edt]] is a compressed 18edo, neither 28edt or 29edt are truly equivalent to 18edo (these two basically correspond to 18edo's dual fifths). | Similar to how [[14edt]] can be seen as [[9edo]] with significantly [[stretched and compressed tuning|stretched]] [[octave]]s (~23{{c}}), 28edt can be seen as [[18edo]] with the same stretched octave. Note that using the stretched octave will map 8/1 to an inconsistent approximation rather than the aforementioned accurate 8/1. Considering that [[29edt]] is a compressed 18edo, neither 28edt or 29edt are truly equivalent to 18edo (these two basically correspond to 18edo's dual fifths). | ||
== Harmonics == | == Harmonics == | ||
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{| class="wikitable right-all left-4" | {| class="wikitable right-all left-4" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! Steps | ! rowspan="2"| Steps | ||
! [[cent]]s | ! rowspan="2"| [[cent]]s | ||
! [[hekt]]s | ! rowspan="2"| [[hekt]]s | ||
! notation | ! colspan="2"| Approximate ratios | ||
! rowspan="2"| notation{{clarify}} | |||
|- | |||
!3.5.11 | |||
!3.8.5.11 | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 67.927 | | 67.927 | ||
| 46.429 | | 46.429 | ||
| [[125/121]] | |||
| [[25/24]] | |||
| Cq/D\\y | | Cq/D\\y | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 135.854 | | 135.854 | ||
| 92.857 | | 92.857 | ||
| [[27/25]] | |||
| [[88/81]] | |||
| Cp/D\\ | | Cp/D\\ | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 203.781 | | 203.781 | ||
| 139.286 | | 139.286 | ||
| [[135/121]] | |||
| [[9/8]] | |||
| Cpq/Dy | | Cpq/Dy | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 271.708 | | 271.708 | ||
| 185.714 | | 185.714 | ||
| [[729/625]] | |||
| [[64/55]], [[75/64]] | |||
| D | | D | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 339.635 | | 339.635 | ||
| 232.143 | | 232.143 | ||
| [[11/9]] | |||
| [[40/33]] | |||
| Dp/Ey | | Dp/Ey | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 407.562 | | 407.562 | ||
| 278.571 | | 278.571 | ||
| [[125/99]] | |||
| [[81/64]] | |||
| E | | E | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 475.489 | | 475.489 | ||
| 325.000 | | 325.000 | ||
| [[33/25]] | |||
| [[72/55]], [[320/243]] | |||
| Epq/F\\y | | Epq/F\\y | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 543.416 | | 543.416 | ||
| 371.429 | | 371.429 | ||
| [[15/11]] | |||
| [[11/8]] | |||
| Ep/F\\ | | Ep/F\\ | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 611.343 | | 611.343 | ||
| 417.857 | | 417.857 | ||
| [[891/625]] | |||
| [[64/45]] | |||
| Eq/Fy | | Eq/Fy | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 679.270 | | 679.270 | ||
| 464.286 | | 464.286 | ||
| [[81/55]], [[121/81]] | |||
| [[40/27]] | |||
| F | | F | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 747.197 | | 747.197 | ||
| 510.714 | | 510.714 | ||
| [[125/81]] | |||
| [[99/64]] | |||
| Fq/Gy | | Fq/Gy | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 815.124 | | 815.124 | ||
| 557.143 | | 557.143 | ||
| [[121/75]] | |||
| [[8/5]] | |||
| G | | G | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 883.051 | | 883.051 | ||
| 603.571 | | 603.571 | ||
| [[5/3]] | |||
| | |||
| Gq/H\\y | | Gq/H\\y | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 950.978 | | 950.978 | ||
| 650.000 | | 650.000 | ||
| [[625/363]], [[1089/625]] | |||
| [[512/297]], [[891/512]] | |||
| Gp/H\\ | | Gp/H\\ | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1018.904 | | 1018.904 | ||
| 696.429 | | 696.429 | ||
| [[9/5]] | |||
| | |||
| Gpq/Hy | | Gpq/Hy | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1086.831 | | 1086.831 | ||
| 742.857 | | 742.857 | ||
| [[225/121]] | |||
| [[15/8]] | |||
| H | | H | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1154.758 | | 1154.758 | ||
| 789.286 | | 789.286 | ||
| [[243/125]] | |||
| [[64/33]] | |||
| Hq/Jy | | Hq/Jy | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1222.685 | | 1222.685 | ||
| 835.714 | | 835.714 | ||
| [[55/27]], [[243/121]] | |||
| [[81/40]] | |||
| J | | J | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1290.612 | | 1290.612 | ||
| 882.143 | | 882.143 | ||
| [[625/297]] | |||
| [[135/64]] | |||
| Jq/A\\y | | Jq/A\\y | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1358.539 | | 1358.539 | ||
| 928.571 | | 928.571 | ||
| [[11/5]] | |||
| [[24/11]] | |||
| Jp/A\\ | | Jp/A\\ | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1426.466 | | 1426.466 | ||
| 975.000 | | 975.000 | ||
| [[25/11]] | |||
| [[55/24]], [[729/320]] | |||
| Jpq/Ay | | Jpq/Ay | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1494.393 | | 1494.393 | ||
| 1021.429 | | 1021.429 | ||
| [[297/125]] | |||
| [[64/27]] | |||
| A | | A | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1562.320 | | 1562.320 | ||
| 1067.857 | | 1067.857 | ||
| [[27/11]] | |||
| [[99/40]] | |||
| Aq/B\\y | | Aq/B\\y | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1630.247 | | 1630.247 | ||
| 1114.286 | | 1114.286 | ||
| [[625/243]] | |||
| [[64/25]], [[165/64]] | |||
| Ap/B\\ | | Ap/B\\ | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1698.174 | | 1698.174 | ||
| 1160.714 | | 1160.714 | ||
| [[121/45]] | |||
| [[8/3]] | |||
| Apq/By | | Apq/By | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1766.101 | | 1766.101 | ||
| 1207.143 | | 1207.143 | ||
| [[25/9]] | |||
| [[243/88]] | |||
| B | | B | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1834.028 | | 1834.028 | ||
| 1253.571 | | 1253.571 | ||
| [[363/125]] | |||
| [[72/25]] | |||
| Bq/Cy | | Bq/Cy | ||
|- | |- | ||
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| 1901.955 | | 1901.955 | ||
| 1300.000 | | 1300.000 | ||
| [[3/1]] | |||
| | |||
| C | | C | ||
|} | |} | ||
Latest revision as of 22:54, 7 November 2026
| ← 27edt | 28edt | 29edt → |
28edt divides the third harmonic into 28 equal parts of 67.9 cents each. It is the simplest edt which intelligibly doubles the Anti-BP harmonic chain[clarification needed].
Theory
From a no-twos perspective, 28edt has a nearly-pure 5th harmonic (which tritave-reduces to 5/3), with 41/28 being a continued fraction convergent to log3(5). It poorly approximates harmonic 7, but has an acceptable approximation of harmonic 11, so it makes sense to consider it as a 3.5.11 subgroup system. In the 3.5.11 subgroup, it tempers out the commas 6655/6561 and 1953125/1948617. The former means it supports deneb temperament, which equates 3 flat 11/9s to 5/3, and the latter means it supports delta centauri temperament, which equates 9 near-just 5/3s tritave-reduced to 11/9 (although delta centauri is a microtemperament and larger EDTs like 71edt offer much better tunings of it). 56edt rectifies the approximation of the 7th harmonic.
28edt has a very accurate 8th harmonic, and as such, one step is very close to every third step of 53edo, and the tritave-reduced 8th harmonic 8/3 and tritave-reduced 8th subharmonic 9/8 are equally well-approximated. It tempers out the schisma in the 8.3.5 subgroup, albeit a really strange tuning due to being a multiple of 4edt and being index-2 in BP. It can also be used for the 3.8.5.11 extension of deneb temperament equating +5 generators to 8/3.
Similar to how 14edt can be seen as 9edo with significantly stretched octaves (~23 ¢), 28edt can be seen as 18edo with the same stretched octave. Note that using the stretched octave will map 8/1 to an inconsistent approximation rather than the aforementioned accurate 8/1. Considering that 29edt is a compressed 18edo, neither 28edt or 29edt are truly equivalent to 18edo (these two basically correspond to 18edo's dual fifths).
Harmonics
| Harmonic | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | +22.7 | +0.0 | -22.6 | -1.3 | +22.7 | +27.5 | +0.1 | +0.0 | +21.4 | -7.8 | -22.6 |
| Relative (%) | +33.4 | +0.0 | -33.2 | -1.9 | +33.4 | +40.5 | +0.2 | +0.0 | +31.5 | -11.4 | -33.2 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
18 (18) |
28 (0) |
35 (7) |
41 (13) |
46 (18) |
50 (22) |
53 (25) |
56 (0) |
59 (3) |
61 (5) |
63 (7) | |
| Harmonic | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Error | Absolute (¢) | -25.3 | -17.7 | -1.3 | +22.8 | -14.2 | +22.7 | -3.0 | -23.9 | +27.5 | +14.9 | +5.9 |
| Relative (%) | -37.2 | -26.1 | -1.9 | +33.6 | -20.9 | +33.4 | -4.4 | -35.1 | +40.5 | +22.0 | +8.7 | |
| Steps (reduced) |
65 (9) |
67 (11) |
69 (13) |
71 (15) |
72 (16) |
74 (18) |
75 (19) |
76 (20) |
78 (22) |
79 (23) |
80 (24) | |
Intervals
| Steps | cents | hekts | Approximate ratios | notation[clarification needed] | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 3.5.11 | 3.8.5.11 | ||||
| 1 | 67.927 | 46.429 | 125/121 | 25/24 | Cq/D\\y |
| 2 | 135.854 | 92.857 | 27/25 | 88/81 | Cp/D\\ |
| 3 | 203.781 | 139.286 | 135/121 | 9/8 | Cpq/Dy |
| 4 | 271.708 | 185.714 | 729/625 | 64/55, 75/64 | D |
| 5 | 339.635 | 232.143 | 11/9 | 40/33 | Dp/Ey |
| 6 | 407.562 | 278.571 | 125/99 | 81/64 | E |
| 7 | 475.489 | 325.000 | 33/25 | 72/55, 320/243 | Epq/F\\y |
| 8 | 543.416 | 371.429 | 15/11 | 11/8 | Ep/F\\ |
| 9 | 611.343 | 417.857 | 891/625 | 64/45 | Eq/Fy |
| 10 | 679.270 | 464.286 | 81/55, 121/81 | 40/27 | F |
| 11 | 747.197 | 510.714 | 125/81 | 99/64 | Fq/Gy |
| 12 | 815.124 | 557.143 | 121/75 | 8/5 | G |
| 13 | 883.051 | 603.571 | 5/3 | Gq/H\\y | |
| 14 | 950.978 | 650.000 | 625/363, 1089/625 | 512/297, 891/512 | Gp/H\\ |
| 15 | 1018.904 | 696.429 | 9/5 | Gpq/Hy | |
| 16 | 1086.831 | 742.857 | 225/121 | 15/8 | H |
| 17 | 1154.758 | 789.286 | 243/125 | 64/33 | Hq/Jy |
| 18 | 1222.685 | 835.714 | 55/27, 243/121 | 81/40 | J |
| 19 | 1290.612 | 882.143 | 625/297 | 135/64 | Jq/A\\y |
| 20 | 1358.539 | 928.571 | 11/5 | 24/11 | Jp/A\\ |
| 21 | 1426.466 | 975.000 | 25/11 | 55/24, 729/320 | Jpq/Ay |
| 22 | 1494.393 | 1021.429 | 297/125 | 64/27 | A |
| 23 | 1562.320 | 1067.857 | 27/11 | 99/40 | Aq/B\\y |
| 24 | 1630.247 | 1114.286 | 625/243 | 64/25, 165/64 | Ap/B\\ |
| 25 | 1698.174 | 1160.714 | 121/45 | 8/3 | Apq/By |
| 26 | 1766.101 | 1207.143 | 25/9 | 243/88 | B |
| 27 | 1834.028 | 1253.571 | 363/125 | 72/25 | Bq/Cy |
| 28 | 1901.955 | 1300.000 | 3/1 | C | |