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The '''Archytas–diatonic equivalence continuum''', or '''septimal–diatonic equivalence continuum''', is a [[equivalence continuum|continuum]] of [[2.3.7 subgroup]] temperaments which equate a number of [[64/63|Archytas' commas (64/63)]] with the [[256/243|Pythagorean limma (256/243)]]. This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all [[2.3.7 subgroup|2.3.7-subgroup]] temperaments [[support]]ed by [[5edo]].  
The '''Archytas–limmic''' (or '''septimal–limmic''', '''Archytas–diatonic''', and '''septimal–diatonic''') '''equivalence continuum''' is a [[equivalence continuum|continuum]] of [[2.3.7 subgroup]] temperaments which equate a number of [[64/63|Archytas' commas (64/63)]] with the [[256/243|Pythagorean limma (256/243)]]. This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all [[2.3.7 subgroup|2.3.7-subgroup]] temperaments [[support]]ed by [[5edo]].  


All temperaments in the continuum satisfy {{nowrap|(64/63)<sup>''n''</sup> ~ 256/243}}. Varying ''n'' results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to [[archy]] as ''n'' approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite ''n'', the continuum describes the set of all 2.3.7 subgroup temperaments supported by 5edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers both commas and thus tempers all combinations of them. The just value of ''n'' is 3.3093…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate ones.
All temperaments in the continuum satisfy {{nowrap|(64/63)<sup>''n''</sup> ~ 256/243}}. Varying ''n'' results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to [[archy]] as ''n'' approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite ''n'', the continuum describes the set of all 2.3.7 subgroup temperaments supported by 5edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers both commas and thus tempers all combinations of them. The just value of ''n'' is 3.3093…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate ones.
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|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Temperaments in the continuum
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Temperaments with integer ''n''
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! rowspan="2" | ''n''
! rowspan="2" | ''n''
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| [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=2.3.7&reduce=off&weights=weil&target=&edos=5+%26+5d&submit_edo=submit&commas= 2.3.7 blackwood]
| [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=2.3.7&reduce=off&weights=weil&target=&edos=5+%26+5d&submit_edo=submit&commas= Blackwood variant]
| [[256/243]]
| [[256/243]]
| {{Monzo| 8 -5 }}
| {{Monzo| 8 -5 }}
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| [[49/48]]
| [[49/48]]
| {{Monzo| -4 -1 2 }}
| {{Monzo| -4 -1 2 }}
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| 2.5
| [[Cloudy]] retraction
| [[16807/16384]]
| {{Monzo| -14 0 5 }}
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| 3
| 3
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| [[1029/1024]]
| [[1029/1024]]
| {{Monzo| -10 1 3 }}
| {{Monzo| -10 1 3 }}
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| 3.3
| 5 & 436
| (72 digits)
| {{Monzo| 118 -16 -33 }}
|-
| 10/3
| [[Slendroschismic]]
| 68719476736/68641485507
| {{Monzo| 36 -5 -10 }}
|-
| 3.5
| [[Septiness]] restriction
| 67108864/66706983
| {{Monzo| 26 -4 -7 }}
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| 4
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| 5
| 5
| [[Obscenity]]
| [[5th-octave temperaments#Obscenity|Obscenity]]
| [[4194304/4084101]]
| [[4194304/4084101]]
| {{Monzo| 22 -5 -5 }}
| {{Monzo| 22 -5 -5 }}
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| …
| …
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| …
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| ∞
| ∞
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| [[64/63]]
| [[64/63]]
| {{Monzo| 6 -2 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| 6 -2 -1 }}
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We may invert the continuum by setting ''m'' such that {{nowrap| 1/''m'' + 1/''n'' {{=}} 1 }}. This may be called the ''trienstonic–limmic equivalence continuum'', which is essentially the same thing. The just value of ''m'' is 1.4330…. The [[trienstonic comma]] is larger than the archytas comma. As such, this continuum does not contain as many useful temperaments, but still interesting nonetheless.
{| class="wikitable center-1"
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Temperaments with integer ''m''
|-
! rowspan="2" | ''m''
! rowspan="2" | Temperament
! colspan="2" | Comma
|-
! Ratio
! S. monzo
|-
| 0
| Blackwood variant
| [[256/243]]
| {{Monzo| 8 -5 }}
|-
| 1
| [[Archy]]
| [[64/63]]
| {{Monzo| 6 -2 -1 }}
|-
| 2
| [[Semaphore]]
| [[49/48]]
| {{Monzo| -4 -1 2 }}
|-
| …
| …
| …
| …
|-
| ∞
| [[Trienstonian]]
| [[28/27]]
| {{Monzo| 2 -3 1 }}
|}
{| class="wikitable"
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Temperaments with fractional ''n'' and ''m''
|-
! ''n'' !! ''m'' !! Temperament !! Comma
|-
| 5/2 = 2.5 || 5/3 = 1.{{overline|6}} || [[Cloudy]] retraction || {{Monzo| -14 0 5 }}
|-
| 33/10 = 3.3 || 33/23 = 1.434783… || 5 & 436 || {{Monzo| 118 -16 -33 }}
|-
| 10/3 = 3.{{overline|3}} || 10/7 = 1.{{overline|428571}} || [[Slendroschismic]] || {{Monzo| 36 -5 -10 }}
|-
| 7/2 = 3.5 || 7/5 = 1.4 || [[Septiness]] retraction || {{Monzo| 26 -4 -7 }}
|}
|}


[[Category:5edo]]
[[Category:5edo]]
[[Category:Equivalence continua]]
[[Category:Equivalence continua]]

Latest revision as of 03:21, 27 August 2026

The Archytas–limmic (or septimal–limmic, Archytas–diatonic, and septimal–diatonic) equivalence continuum is a continuum of 2.3.7 subgroup temperaments which equate a number of Archytas' commas (64/63) with the Pythagorean limma (256/243). This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all 2.3.7-subgroup temperaments supported by 5edo.

All temperaments in the continuum satisfy (64/63)n ~ 256/243. Varying n results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to archy as n approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite n, the continuum describes the set of all 2.3.7 subgroup temperaments supported by 5edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers both commas and thus tempers all combinations of them. The just value of n is 3.3093…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate ones.

256/243 is the characteristic 3-limit comma tempered out in 5edo, and has many advantages as a target. In each case, n equals the order of harmonic 7 in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of generators to obtain a harmonic 3 in the generator chain.

Temperaments with integer n
n Temperament Comma
Ratio S. monzo
0 Blackwood variant 256/243 [8 -5⟩
1 Trienstonian 28/27 [2 -3 1⟩
2 Semaphore 49/48 [-4 -1 2⟩
3 Slendric 1029/1024 [-10 1 3⟩
4 Buzzard 65536/64827 [16 -3 -4⟩
5 Obscenity 4194304/4084101 [22 -5 -5⟩
… … … …
∞ Archy 64/63 [6 -2 -1⟩

We may invert the continuum by setting m such that 1/m + 1/n = 1. This may be called the trienstonic–limmic equivalence continuum, which is essentially the same thing. The just value of m is 1.4330…. The trienstonic comma is larger than the archytas comma. As such, this continuum does not contain as many useful temperaments, but still interesting nonetheless.

Temperaments with integer m
m Temperament Comma
Ratio S. monzo
0 Blackwood variant 256/243 [8 -5⟩
1 Archy 64/63 [6 -2 -1⟩
2 Semaphore 49/48 [-4 -1 2⟩
… … … …
∞ Trienstonian 28/27 [2 -3 1⟩
Temperaments with fractional n and m
n m Temperament Comma
5/2 = 2.5 5/3 = 1.6 Cloudy retraction [-14 0 5⟩
33/10 = 3.3 33/23 = 1.434783… 5 & 436 [118 -16 -33⟩
10/3 = 3.3 10/7 = 1.428571 Slendroschismic [36 -5 -10⟩
7/2 = 3.5 7/5 = 1.4 Septiness retraction [26 -4 -7⟩
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