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[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 14:22, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

: Well then, let us change the rest of these pages to plain English names.

: ---[[User:VectorGraphics|VectorGraphics]] ([[User talk:VectorGraphics|talk]]) 16:20, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:: Well first, you didn't address my point at all. Second, you just suggested to me you had no clear logic of choosing which files to move, and were only moving whatever you ran into. Based on that, how do you find all the pages and make sure the names you come up with are correct? For one specific case, you moved ''elfthrush8d'' to ''Thrush 8-note elf D'', which makes no sense cuz the ''8d'' in ''elfthrush8d'' refers to the 8d val. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 18:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

::: Well, that highlights exactly the problem: it's not intuitively clear what these page titles mean, and it would be improved by moving the pages to titles that are in plain English. Even if we must have the constraint that they are filenames, again, it's not 1990, filenames can have spaces and punctuation in them. ---[[User:VectorGraphics|VectorGraphics]] ([[User talk:VectorGraphics|talk]]) 20:34, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

:::: How do you rename them and still make them filenames shipped by Scala? [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 21:16, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: You don't, because they're no longer in Scala. The "Scala" phase of these filenames' lifecycle is over once they've been created. Also, I don't think people use Scala, like, at all, now that Scale Workshop exists ---[[User:VectorGraphics|VectorGraphics]] ([[User talk:VectorGraphics|talk]]) 00:46, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::: "Also, I don't think people use Scala, like, at all, now that Scale Workshop exists" idk how often Scala itself is used but .scl files at least are still very widespread [[User:CompactStar|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar|talk]]) 01:08, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: I don't see a good reason why the title of the '''articles in xenwiki''' have to be the same as the name of the scala files. The Scala file name is already inside the .scl file on the actual article, after all. Does Scala rely on xenwiki to source its tuning files? [[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil|talk]]) 01:04, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:::: I'd rather see Scala "files" merged together when they belong to a bigger series, on a page that covers the whole series, while keeping the filenames as redirects to the appropriate section containing the file contents. Displaying the .scl source may look clunky, but after all it's mostly a list of pitches which is mostly human-readable, so it's not like it's worse than a table or any similar content we already have on the wiki. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 05:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: I second this. [[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil|talk]]) 05:54, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: This! [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 11:02, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Idk why this discussion is being held on Vector's talk page, but I support plain English titles. You can always have the filename on the page plus a redirect. Also, the scala archive is 5000+ files, so I don't think mere inclusion in there is enough to warrant a page.

– [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 10:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

: Cuz Vector was moving the pages! [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 11:02, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

:: Ok, that's reasonable. If we agree they should be moved, we should indeed try to do so in a consistent way instead of moving a few ad-hoc. – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 11:59, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Reverting others' work ==

It's very rude to revert the entirety of others' work just to re-install the portion you want. Please carefully inspect the changes from others and only edit the necessary part.

Consider this a formal warning.

[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

== Notability guidelines review ==

We are drafting a proposal for new notability guidelines, you can find it at [[User:Sintel/Notability guidelines]].

You can use the talk page there to let us know what you think of them, or if you have any objections.

Thank you! – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 23:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

== Moving pages and adding redirects ==

Pls use the move page functionality of the wiki instead of manually creating a new page and making the old a redirect so that edit histories are preserved. Also, when you make a page a redirect, pls remember to remove the contents. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 04:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

: Acknowledged. -- [[User:VectorGraphics|VectorGraphics]] ([[User talk:VectorGraphics|talk]]) 18:51, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

== Rounding ==

Pls round values in tables to consistent decimal places or significant figures. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 09:39, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

== Please stop destroying others' theory articles ==

For example, programmers use the matrix-form formulae all the time. Removing them means we have to work them out again to put them into our scripts. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 09:18, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

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 [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 14:22, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+: Well then, let us change the rest of these pages to plain English names.
+: ---[[User:VectorGraphics|VectorGraphics]] ([[User talk:VectorGraphics|talk]]) 16:20, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+:: Well first, you didn't address my point at all. Second, you just suggested to me you had no clear logic of choosing which files to move, and were only moving whatever you ran into. Based on that, how do you find all the pages and make sure the names you come up with are correct? For one specific case, you moved ''elfthrush8d'' to ''Thrush 8-note elf D'', which makes no sense cuz the ''8d'' in ''elfthrush8d'' refers to the 8d val. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 18:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+::: Well, that highlights exactly the problem: it's not intuitively clear what these page titles mean, and it would be improved by moving the pages to titles that are in plain English. Even if we must have the constraint that they are filenames, again, it's not 1990, filenames can have spaces and punctuation in them. ---[[User:VectorGraphics|VectorGraphics]] ([[User talk:VectorGraphics|talk]]) 20:34, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+:::: How do you rename them and still make them filenames shipped by Scala? [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 21:16, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
+::::: You don't, because they're no longer in Scala. The "Scala" phase of these filenames' lifecycle is over once they've been created. Also, I don't think people use Scala, like, at all, now that Scale Workshop exists ---[[User:VectorGraphics|VectorGraphics]] ([[User talk:VectorGraphics|talk]]) 00:46, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
+:::::: "Also, I don't think people use Scala, like, at all, now that Scale Workshop exists" idk how often Scala itself is used but .scl files at least are still very widespread [[User:CompactStar|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar|talk]]) 01:08, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
+::::: I don't see a good reason why the title of the '''articles in xenwiki''' have to be the same as the name of the scala files. The Scala file name is already inside the .scl file on the actual article, after all. Does Scala rely on xenwiki to source its tuning files? [[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil|talk]]) 01:04, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
+:::: I'd rather see Scala "files" merged together when they belong to a bigger series, on a page that covers the whole series, while keeping the filenames as redirects to the appropriate section containing the file contents. Displaying the .scl source may look clunky, but after all it's mostly a list of pitches which is mostly human-readable, so it's not like it's worse than a table or any similar content we already have on the wiki. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 05:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
+::::: I second this. [[User:Lériendil|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil|talk]]) 05:54, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
+::::: This! [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 11:02, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
+Idk why this discussion is being held on Vector's talk page, but I support plain English titles. You can always have the filename on the page plus a redirect. Also, the scala archive is 5000+ files, so I don't think mere inclusion in there is enough to warrant a page.
+– [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 10:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
+: Cuz Vector was moving the pages! [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 11:02, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
+:: Ok, that's reasonable. If we agree they should be moved, we should indeed try to do so in a consistent way instead of moving a few ad-hoc. – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 11:59, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
+== Reverting others' work ==
+It's very rude to revert the entirety of others' work just to re-install the portion you want. Please carefully inspect the changes from others and only edit the necessary part.
+Consider this a formal warning.
+[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 16:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
+== Notability guidelines review ==
+We are drafting a proposal for new notability guidelines, you can find it at [[User:Sintel/Notability guidelines]].
+You can use the talk page there to let us know what you think of them, or if you have any objections.
+Thank you! – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 23:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
+== Moving pages and adding redirects ==
+Pls use the move page functionality of the wiki instead of manually creating a new page and making the old a redirect so that edit histories are preserved. Also, when you make a page a redirect, pls remember to remove the contents. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 04:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
+: Acknowledged. -- [[User:VectorGraphics|VectorGraphics]] ([[User talk:VectorGraphics|talk]]) 18:51, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
+== Rounding ==
+Pls round values in tables to consistent decimal places or significant figures. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 09:39, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
+== Please stop destroying others' theory articles ==
+For example, programmers use the matrix-form formulae all the time. Removing them means we have to work them out again to put them into our scripts. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 09:18, 13 November 2025 (UTC)