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45/44, ~38.906 cents, the undecimal 1/5th tone, is the interval between [[11/9|11/9]] and [[5/4|5/4]], and also between [[11/10|11/10]] and [[9/8|9/8]]. It is tempered out by the patent vals for [[12edo|12]], [[19edo|19]], and [[26edo|26]] equal.
{{Infobox Interval
| Name = undecimal 1/5-tone, cake comma
| Color name = 1uy1, luyo 1sn,<br>Luyo comma
| Sound = Ji-45-44-csound-foscil-220hz.mp3
| Comma = yes
}}
 
'''45/44''', ~38.906 cents, the '''undecimal 1/5-tone''', is the interval between [[11/9]] and [[5/4]], between [[11/10]] and [[9/8]], and between [[22/15]] and [[3/2]].
 
== Approximation ==
45/44 is extremely close to a single step of [[31edo]], and is represented consistently there as well. When one uses 45/44 as an interval in its own right, it has properties akin to a sort of [[chroma]], and it differs from [[8192/8019]], the Alpharabian inframinor second, by the [[schisma]].
 
== Temperaments ==
[[File:Oceania's cake.jpg|thumb|Ocean's cake]]
 
45/44 is also known as the '''cake comma''', from when [[Ocean Stegosaurus Tardigrade]] was baking a cake and misread flour and sugar measurements on his scale, leading to the inclusion of 11/9 times the amount suggested in his recipe. To compensate, he writes "I increased all the other ingredients by a neutral third, except the eggs, which I increased by a major third because I couldn't be bothered to measure out eight ninths of an egg." We see here the equating of 11/9 with 5/4, leading to the [[tempering out]] of 45/44. The cake turned out fine but slightly burnt on the top.
 
This temperament is the [[Catalog of rank-4 temperaments #Cake (45/44)|cake temperament]], [[support]]ed by the [[patent val]]s for [[12edo|12-]], [[19edo|19-]], and [[26edo|26-tone equal temperament]].
 
== Notation ==
=== Sagittal notation ===
In the [[Sagittal]] system, the downward version of this comma (possibly tempered) is represented by the sagittal {{sagittal | (!( }} and is called the '''11/5 small diesis''', or '''11/5S''' for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 11/5 (equiv. 11/10), as for example in C–D{{nbhsp}}{{sagittal | (!( }}. The upward version is called '''5/11S''' or '''11/5S up''' and is represented by {{sagittal| (|( }}.
 
== See also ==
* [[88/45]] – its [[octave complement]]
* [[22/15]] – its [[fifth complement]]
* [[Gallery of just intervals]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
* [[Medium comma]]
 
[[Category:Cake]]
[[Category:Commas named following events]]

Latest revision as of 09:42, 4 March 2025

Interval information
Ratio 45/44
Factorization 2-2 × 32 × 5 × 11-1
Monzo [-2 2 1 0 -1
Size in cents 38.90577¢
Names undecimal 1/5-tone,
cake comma
Color name 1uy1, luyo 1sn,
Luyo comma
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{A1}^{5}_{11} }[/math]
Special properties superparticular,
reduced
Tenney height (log2 nd) 10.9513
Weil height (log2 max(n, d)) 10.9837
Wilson height (sopfr(nd)) 26
Comma size medium
S-expression S9 × S10

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45/44, ~38.906 cents, the undecimal 1/5-tone, is the interval between 11/9 and 5/4, between 11/10 and 9/8, and between 22/15 and 3/2.

Approximation

45/44 is extremely close to a single step of 31edo, and is represented consistently there as well. When one uses 45/44 as an interval in its own right, it has properties akin to a sort of chroma, and it differs from 8192/8019, the Alpharabian inframinor second, by the schisma.

Temperaments

Ocean's cake

45/44 is also known as the cake comma, from when Ocean Stegosaurus Tardigrade was baking a cake and misread flour and sugar measurements on his scale, leading to the inclusion of 11/9 times the amount suggested in his recipe. To compensate, he writes "I increased all the other ingredients by a neutral third, except the eggs, which I increased by a major third because I couldn't be bothered to measure out eight ninths of an egg." We see here the equating of 11/9 with 5/4, leading to the tempering out of 45/44. The cake turned out fine but slightly burnt on the top.

This temperament is the cake temperament, supported by the patent vals for 12-, 19-, and 26-tone equal temperament.

Notation

Sagittal notation

In the Sagittal system, the downward version of this comma (possibly tempered) is represented by the sagittal ⁠ ⁠ and is called the 11/5 small diesis, or 11/5S for short, because the simplest interval it notates is 11/5 (equiv. 11/10), as for example in C–D⁠ ⁠⁠ ⁠. The upward version is called 5/11S or 11/5S up and is represented by ⁠ ⁠.

See also