Talk:Neji

The Neji lemma

The Neji lemma seems to have the tendency to expand. Maybe a disambiguation would fit better than a plain redirect, because of the Well temperaments which also aim to equalize their steps. --Xenwolf (talk) 07:51, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

My current recommendation is that we create a page for "quasi-equal rational tunings" and have NEJI redirect there instead, since NEJI is not synonymous with overtone scales, but actually synonymous with the concept which as far as I can tell was first described by George Secor here: http://www.anaphoria.com/secor-blarney.html --Cmloegcmluin (talk) 20:03, 15 March 2021

NEJI stands for…

I still don’t feel comfortable not mentioning the term “near-equal just intonation” even once on the whole page. That was the term Zhea originally proposed and still uses, and many other people use it too, it needs to be on here.

Maybe we could change

A neji or NEJI (pronounced /nɛdʒi/ "nedgy"; for "near-equivalent just intonation")

to

A neji or NEJI (pronounced /nɛdʒi/ "nedgy"; for "near-equivalent just intonation" or "near-equal just intonation")

and keep the rest of the page the same?

To be honest, I had completely forgotten that the community had discussed the "near-equivalent" version, as I more often think about it as "near-equal" anyway. We could mention "near-equal" in the History section, where it is explained that Zhea coined "neji". That said, since Zhea's meaning might still be in use, I would also include it at the top. For that matter, the page could do a better job at distinguishing the kind of nejis that qualify as near-equal and those that qualify as near-equivalent, but I'll leave it to others if they're interested. --Fredg999 (talk) 15:37, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

"Near-equivalent JI" is a generalization of "near-equal JI" which is the reason that term was chosen; this is also justified by that technically "near-equal" doesn't tell you what it is nearly equal to, unless you interpret "near-equal" as meaning that the step sizes are "near-equal"; AFAIK that was originally the case so that aspect of the meaning could be included. But the generalization from "edos as targets" to "any tempered target" is very natural as far as I can tell. To me if any aspect is worth debating it's the terminology "harmodal" which was only added to preserve the historical colloquial meaning of "neji". --Godtone (talk) 16:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I am happy to interpret “near-equal” as meaning the step sizes of the NEJI are nearly equal to the step sizes of the target scale. I just think the term “near-equal” needs to be mentioned since it is in widespread use, including by the inventor of the term “NEJI”.

In terms of which scales count as near equal or near equivalent, I think the two terms are synonymous, so they apply to all NEJIs. However “near equal” is sometimes used to refer to only those NEJIS where the target scale is an equal-step tuning. So that could be something I could mention in the article?--BudjarnLambeth (talk) 07:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)