User talk:CritDeathX

Message ID

How did you find the message here? I tried the same yesterday for another article with no success. I was wondering if the original message IDs were present in the archive data and could be automatically provided through the view? --Xenwolf (talk) 06:35, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

PS: and of course, a big thanks for this kind of work. 😊 --Xenwolf (talk) 06:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

As I saw, the original message IDs are available. In the case I mentioned, you obviously did some archeology to correct the original references which seem indeed incorrect. --Xenwolf (talk) 11:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the appreciation! I believe that the original IDs seem to not correlate to the archive's IDs, which makes it a slight pain in the butt. I might ask the person who made the archive to add a search function to make finding past messages easier. --CritDeathX (talk) 08:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

You might be interested in the zip Archive available on archive.org. I did some local searches on my lasktop (if you are on Windows, Notepad++ and Grepwin are great helpers). --Xenwolf (talk) 10:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I forgot (at least) on thing: Special:LinkSearch is one more great tool for wiki gardening it lists pages with external links that match a given pattern. --Xenwolf (talk) 10:55, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for directing me to that ZIP file there. I had kinda stumbled on that a bit ago, but I didn't think it would actually be useful. I'll try downloading it and see if searching for messages are easier that way. --CritDeathX (talk) 15:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Update; thank you so much for showing me this. I actually love this soooooo much. I can't wait to find messages easier using this. --CritDeathX (talk) 15:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Glad I could help. 😊 --Xenwolf (talk) 15:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Notation terminology

Hi CritDeathX,
Some time ago, I made template:monzo for preventing people from typing <nowiki>|</nowiki>0 0 -1 1> over and over again and to better show the intent. Now I remember that there is also the (seemingly) opposite notation <12 19 28 34| that could benefit from some support. But to make such a template, we I need the name of this notation. Do you know it?
Thanks in advance for your help.
--Xenwolf (talk) 07:00, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you speaking of template:val? Its the only thing I could think of looking like an opposite of a monzo. --CritDeathX (talk) 08:04, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it has been created (even for me surprisingly) meanwhile by User:Cmloegcmluin --Xenwolf (talk) 10:37, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I didn't even see that there! Guess I was late to the party by ~2 days. --CritDeathX (talk) 15:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

If you mean this: the Revision history of "Template:Val" - Xenharmonic Wiki is shown antichronological, so the starting point is at the end. 😉 --Xenwolf (talk) 10:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

PS: Now it seems to me that you didn't mean that at all. Well, anyway... --Xenwolf (talk) 10:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

How to indicate that contents is (or started as) a quote?

Hi CritDeathX,
I find that a horizontal line for separation (either as ------- or as <hr>) is perhaps not the best option. We could also use typography to separate the source from the rest of the text, maybe (also) a subtle indentation? Here are the three options so far:

What so you think?
--Xenwolf (talk) 10:33, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me about this; I'm not entirely too familiar with how MediaWiki works (or other people, really), as I've never really edited for a wiki in general, so I apologize about my formatting. I think that option 3 might be a better option for this situation. --CritDeathX (talk) 11:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

No need to apologize, we all learn and *still* make mistakes! :-) --Xenwolf (talk) 13:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

The magic of internal links

Hi CritDeathX,
I hope not to bother: I saw on User:CritDeathX/Sam's Musings (no I didn't actually read it but this is now also on my todo list) that you used external link syntax for internal pages or files. I'd remember to change this when you find the time to unlock the What links here feature (access key j, in Firefox under Windows this is the hotkey [Alt]+[Shift]+[j]) on pages you linked. This is maybe not so important for "14edo#Titanium[9]" but for "File:Christopher(9) resolution.wav" because the file looks orphan to the wiki software (see Special:UnusedFiles and Special:LonelyPages) - BTW: I forgot to mention that I find all your contributions very valuable, thank you for taking all the time. Through your cooperation I am always discovering interesting content in these over 7000 pages. 🙂
Beat regards --Xenwolf (talk) 11:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for making me aware of this! I didn't think that it wouldn't work using hyperlinks, so I'll make sure to change it immediately.

Also, you're welcome! --CritDeathX (talk) 12:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Okay, uh, quick question; how do I tell the system that the file links back to my page? --CritDeathX (talk) 12:23, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

File usage is done by embedding a file (by typing [[File:Christopher(9) resolution.wav]] without the colon (:) after the opening double-bracket), whereas the What links here function is still aware of the backlink. --Xenwolf (talk) 13:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I actually fixed it now. Takes a while to learn how things work, don't it? --CritDeathX (talk) 13:24, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, but it's better to learn as we go... --Xenwolf (talk) 14:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

the dead link

Hi Sam,
great to see this and thanks! I already forgot about it: yesterday the whole site was [:wikipedia:HTTP 403]. So I was wondering if it could mean something really terrible. Fortunately, I was wrong. 🙂
--Xenwolf (talk) 13:29, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

No problemo! --CritDeathX (talk) 19:47, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

built-in subpage function

It may be interesting to you that you can get sub pages of a given page automatically, for example {{Special:Prefixindex|prefix=User:CritDeathX/|hideredirects=1|stripprefix=1}} produces

As to get sub pages of a page on that page, you can use {{Special:Prefixindex|prefix={{FULLPAGENAME}}/|hideredirects=1|stripprefix=1}} instead. The switches hideredirects and stripprefix can be omitted in case they are not set.

Best regards --Xenwolf (talk) 21:11, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
PS: I'm keen to get an audible impression of your 17-note-temperament.

Ah, thank you for telling me about that! I'd assume that it would look nicer than what I have so far. --CritDeathX (talk) 21:40, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

ps: id be happy to try and either retune a piece or make a piece to demonstrate that temperament if you would like

Retuned piece

Hi CritDeathX,
It is quite intereating to hear File:Thirteen Preludes No. 1, tuned to sam's 17-tone temperament.wav, I'm not able to check the quality of the retuning but am impressed by the speed at which you can deliver this kind of stuff. Let me share a few thoughts about retuning of existing (classical, mostly 12-EDO) pieces in general: I doubt that this process can give us a really valid demonstration of the potential of a given tuning/temperament for two reasons: 1) The timbre will be unaffected and 2) the composition (kind of) "lives" in the 12-EDO world. As for the actual piece, I must admit that it's too fast for me as to value the tuning/temperament.
I hope my comments will not discourage you but instead help you in further exploring your 17-note Well Temperament.
Best regards --Xenwolf (talk) 05:03, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that's some fair points. I'll see if maybe an original work can do justice for this tuning. Thank you for your thoughts. --CritDeathX (talk) 16:51, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Closed Up

Congratulations! Closed Up is an interesting composition (and hopefully just an opening!), it makes me curious for more. Reminds me of The Book of Sounds by Hans Otte (see also Hans Otte - Wikipedia). --Xenwolf (talk) 21:54, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you a bunch! Admittedly, I didn't think of this as an opening, but rather more of a soundworld, if that makes sense. I will consider making more pieces in this tuning (and more well temperaments too!). --CritDeathX (talk) 23:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

internal links ...

... get the capitalization of the first letter for free. So (provided the titles are well-chosen) it's possible to link without any extra effort for instance cent (here in the text written with lowercase c, but at the target capitalized). Hope that helps a bit in everyday editing. --Xenwolf (talk) 06:53, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Ideas and Impressions

Hello, I'm curious as to whether or not you have any further thoughts on the ideas I've posted on my own talk page. I would also like to know how you made your list of edo impressions... I admit I don't have many edo impressions to share myself, just impressions of 1edo, 2edo, 3edo, 4edo, 5edo, 6edo, 12edo, 24edo, 53edo, 94edo, and 159edo, but I think it would make sense for me to get started with those. --Aura (talk) 20:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Howdy here, fellow pard (my gender neutral term for pardner, since i dont know your pronouns yet)! I don't have too many thoughts on your ideas at the moment; it sounds pretty promising, especially with your prime-limit categories! Speaking of which, have you thought of thinking of another name for the quasiparadiatonic limits? I'd suggest microdiatonic, though I imagine that would probably not work too well with your ideas.

On how to make a list of EDO impressions, I'd recommend making a subset of your userpage by writing User:(USERNAME)/(PAGE TITLE) into the wiki's searchbar. This will lead you to an empty page that'll ask if you want to add anything to the page, and of course you should try to add stuff to your page!

Hope that helps! --CritDeathX (talk) 15:50, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

For the record, I'm a male- which means I'm a "he". Anyhow, I'm glad you find the idea of prime-limit categories promising. Still, I have to admit that I find the 23-limit, 29-limit, and 31-limit very hard to use. I know that the paradiatonic primes can give rise to "parachromatic" intervals such as 55/54... Oh! What about renaming the "quasiparadiatonic" primes the "pseudodiatonic" primes? After all, these primes are not diatonic by any stretch, but they still seem to be good substitutes for the paradiatonic primes in a pinch... --Aura (talk) 16:45, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea! It helps with not having to say a mouthful, I'll say that much. --CritDeathX (talk) 16:56, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know how to create an EDO impressions page! If you go to my user page, you should be able to find the link to it at the bottom of the page. However, my links in general need work... --Aura (talk) 00:49, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

The links on Aura's user page are fixed meanwhile. --Xenwolf (talk) 09:53, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Indeed... --Aura (talk) 15:01, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Alrighty, added the impressions to the Big List. Welcome to the party! --CritDeathX (talk) 00:45, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! --Aura (talk) 02:58, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm curious... have you heard the piece that I recently wrote? --Aura (talk) 02:58, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

The table is gonna explode if everybody adds their impressions nonstop. It doesn't seem like a final solution in the future. Maybe we split them into individual edo subpages? FloraC (talk) 05:01, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a good thing to bring up. I could try to put them into subpages for the respective EDOs if another person throws in their impressions. --CritDeathX (talk) 14:55, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Unnoticeable Commas

Okay, one thing I do in my list of intervals in 159edo is to try and keep the list trimmed down to 23-limit intervals, odd limits less than 1024, and intervals which are less than 3.5 cents away from the steps of the EDO. It's a complicated system, but so far, it seems to be working. One particular quirk I've noticed while working on this is that in 159edo, the difference between five 33/32 quartertones and a 7/6 subminor third is tempered out so that five tempered 33/32 equals one tempered 7/6. I worked out the difference between five 33/32 quartertones and a 7/6 subminor third to be 117440512/117406179- a comma only slightly more than half a cent in size. I also see that this comma has only been mentioned once on this wiki- specifically on the page for 3125edo. Is there already a name for this comma? If not, I want to give it a name... --Aura (talk) 05:51, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't believe this was given a name yet. Go and name it, I guess. I wonder what temperaments this can bring, though. --CritDeathX (talk) 15:01, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Would you look at that... This same comma- 117440512/117406179- is also the amount by which six 33/32 quartertones fall short of a 77/64 subminor third... Since this comma involves quartertones- how about I call it the "Quartisma"? --Aura (talk) 22:03, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

If the idea of calling this comma the "Quartisma" makes sense to you, then when this comma is tempered out, can we can call the resulting temperaments "Quartismatic"? --Aura (talk) 22:13, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

We usually use -sma, -smic. IlL (talk) 22:29, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe, but "Quartisma" comes from "Quarter" and "Schisma" on account of this comma both involving stacks of quartertones and being extremely small itself, and, the name for temperaments that temper out the Schisma is "Schismatic". --Aura (talk) 22:34, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

If "Quartismic" is a better name for temperaments that temper out the "Quartisma", then I'll go with "Quartismic". However, I'd like to hear more opinions on this first... --Aura (talk) 22:40, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Let me give examples: kleismic family, keemic family, and pages listing chords of a temperament are titled X-smic chords (Category:11-limit and Category:13-limit has some of them). It seems "schisma" is the only exception among comma names that end in -ma. IlL (talk) 00:12, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

(Even for diaschisma "diaschismic" is more common than "diaschismatic".) IlL (talk)

Okay then. "Quartismic" makes sense for the temperament name then. I'll go with it. --Aura (talk) 00:33, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about blowing up your talk page Sam... --Aura (talk) 04:35, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

No worries, its not like you're bursting into my house and sleeping in my walls. --CritDeathX (talk) 13:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Temperament Mappings

Hey there, I see the temperaments you've found, and while I can play the notes on the keyboard, there are a number of senses in which I don't know what I'm looking at, as when it comes to music, I'm steeped in a combiniation of traditional music notation, mainstream quartertone accidentals, and other accidentals of the sort found in MuseScore. However, I do very much believe that the data you've found is worth linking to the page on quartismic temperaments. I've said something partially to this same effect on my own user talk page, but I figured I might as well leave a message here as well for good measure. --Aura (talk) 15:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Sam, would you mind helping me out a bit? I'm trying to go through and sort out various options for 5-limit commas as a means of extending to the full 11-limit among quartismic temperaments, and I want to separate different types of 5-limit extensions by giving them different names- after all not every possible 5-limit extension for a quartismic temperament results in something related to meantone. Personally, I like the name "Altierran" for non-meantone quartismic temperaments that temper out the schisma... --Aura (talk) 20:28, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Looking at some of the common commas, I can suggest a couple of these names:

3125/3072 - magician (quarter magic)

15625/15552 - skirtismic (combination of schi- and -rtismic)

20000/19683 - doublefour (the comma belongs to tetracot and our temperament is quartismic)

81/80 - meanfour (meantone but the tone is replaced with four, cause quartismic)

--CritDeathX (talk) 13:51, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Okay, out of all the ones you've suggested here, I really like "doublefour" as a way of refering to combinations of the quartisma and the tetracot comma. I like both "meanfour" and "meanquarter", but "meanfour" sounds like it could also refer to combinations of meantone and tetracot, so perhaps "meanquarter" is a better descriptor for the specific combination of the quartisma and meantone. I'm not a fan of "skirtismic", because the combination in question is actually a combination of the 5-limit kleisma with the quartisma- how about "kleirtismic" instead? As for combinations of the quartisma and the magic comma- well, this one's trickier, the name you proposed sounds unoriginal, so we need to think of something better. --Aura (talk) 14:16, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Meanquarter & kleirtsmic are better, yes, though I have no idea how to say kleirtsmic. On magician, I guess it is a bit bland. Maybe coin temperament? IDK, my brain sucks at thinking. --CritDeathX (talk) 14:20, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

For "kleirtismic", just remember that "kleir-" is pronounced like "Clair". I definitely like the idea of call combinations of quartismic and magic temperaments "coin" temperaments. --Aura (talk) 15:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Ideas of Consonance

Hello Sam, I just posted my own ideas of consonance. I'd like to hear what you think of these. Perhaps our ideas of consonance are mutually compatible. Also, I think we need to examine Harmonic Entropy in a new light- take the individual sections of the minimum Rényi entropy that correspond to different octaves and combine successive octave sections into a single curve. I predict that intervals that have a high degree of connectivity- of the sort explain on my page- will become more pronounced, while those that don't will be weakened. --Aura (talk) 05:49, 12 September 2020 (UTC)