PiotrGrochowski

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Hi Piotr - we saw you added large text to the top of the main page about "Incomplete pages." We removed this as we want to keep the main page clean -- the whole Wiki has plenty of *lot* of incomplete pages and you should add them to the Wikifuture pages. But the pages you added aren't on the original Wiki - it looks like you made them yourself? Where did you get them from? Some of them would be good to complete (Kleisma and so on), but others seem strange to me, like 0/0, which I haven't heard many people try to use as a legit musical interval. Mike Battaglia (talk) 12:50, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

That's like having a dirty house inside and removing the sign that it needs cleaning. This wiki needs more edo articles to progress but I can't add placeholders anymore because there are already several. And I don't know how to add additional info to the "Table of..." articles (see Category:Interval list).

I thought you were saying the MediaWiki import from the old wiki was incomplete or somehow screwed up. I didn't realize you were just saying the Wiki is in general a work in progress (which is true). I changed the language on the front page to make that clearer. I just didn't want a big thing like that at the top of the page, since it seemed like there was an error in the import or something wrong with the site, rather than a general call to create new pages. Mike Battaglia (talk) 13:14, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Also, what do you mean by not being able to add info to those articles? They should be editable using either the visual editor or regular editor...

The 31edo page has lots of info. The 107edo page is lacking in info. I just don't know what is notable or what commas it tempers out. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Piotr

Great to see you here :) --Xenwolf (talk) 09:22, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Why Coming soon?

Hi Piotr,
what's the idea behind pages like this?
From my long-year wiki experience, it's better to start not too many pages at once, it's hard to keep them up to date.
Best, --Xenwolf (talk) 17:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

It's so the users can see what xen.wiki was in the past. I repeat: Coming soon PiotrGrochowski (talk) 18:23, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

FYI Piotr, while I am happy to give you room to do your thing, I think pages like "Coming soon" will be confusing to new users. I appreciate your sense of humor though, and think lots of your ideas are pretty funny (love calling the logo "The Xen"!), and you have been really helpful in creating new content here for the new Wiki. Mike Battaglia (talk) 17:09, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

dev.xen.wiki

Piotr, just FYI, dev.xen.wiki is a testing page for us to do development stuff. Feel free to play around and make changes there, but just know that any changes there aren't permanent - we will periodically wiping that wiki clean and refreshing it with new stuff. Sometimes we will import the "en" wiki there, sometimes "es", etc, for us to test changes... Mike Battaglia (talk) 17:09, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

You can't however test hard redirects, as they don't work in dev.xen.wiki. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 17:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Piotr - the thing you are calling "hard redirects" are really "interwiki redirects." If you want to link to dev, you can do dev:Main_Page, for example. If you put ":en" in a redirect on the dev wiki, it will simply redirect to the English language wiki. Mike Battaglia (talk) 18:04, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm calling that "hard redirects" because it has a similar effect to "hard redirects" in wikispaces, see http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/wiki+help#x-Using%20links-Redirects. And you're wrong that :en: in dev.xen.wiki will redirect to en.xen.wiki, because dev:2 1 does not work. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 18:11, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Piotr, the "en" thing is not a redirect code, it is just a special interwiki code. For example, look at purdal:Home, or purdal:Migration_FAQ, which redirects to en:Migration_FAQ. But you are right about dev, which is a bug! Dev should have interwiki set up, but it doesn't. I'll add it later Mike Battaglia (talk) 10:48, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

It however has the "hard redirect" effect, and because wikispaces had hard redirects, they are pretty much necessary to include in Wiki help#Redirects. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 10:51, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

I found about dev.xen.wiki by looking at description of some of your edits.
Text replacement - "(\[\[\:(dev|es|purdal|de|en):[^[:space:]\|]*) (.*])" to "$1|$3"
Text replacement - "(\[\[\:(dev|es|purdal|de|en):[^[:space:]\|]*) (.*])" to "$1|$3"
So, I went to dev.xen.wiki for curiosity. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 09:04, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism

I saw that you added a redirect to the top of Main_Page that leads to Special:Block/PiotrGrochowski. This wiki has a very open policy, just like it did at Wikispaces. It is easy for anyone to join and contribute. If you want to experiment and try to break things, feel free to do that with your own installation of MediaWiki, or on the dev site. Tyler (talk) 10:57, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Some experiments however are not possible in dev. Compare en:2 1 and dev:2 1. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 10:38, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Piotr, the thing is, this website gets a lot of visitors, so when you break the Main Page, it interferes with people's ability to see the site unless you change it back really fast. Why did you have the Main Page redirect to Special:Block/PiotrGrochowski? What was your experiment there? If you are going to do an experiment, do it on dev -- if you really can't do it on dev, and it's important, then you have to try to do it in a way that doesn't interfere with others - everyone who went to xen.wiki got sent to the Block page and couldn't see the wiki while you changed it! Those kinds of experiments are dangerous. The rule is you must clean up after yourself if you do anything like that here. Thank you Mike Battaglia (talk) 10:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Rules for tidiness

Piotr, after talking internally with the admin pages, we want to use these rules: If you are going to do any HTML, MediaWiki, "crash," or redirect tests, please do it at dev. If you are going to make tuning pages, please do it at en. Your tuning pages are great! And it is ok that you are learning about MediaWiki, but please do those changes at dev. I will get prefixes like "en" working on dev later today (called "Interwiki") so you can experiment with redirects there.

If you ever want to do a MediaWiki experiment that you can't do on dev, please ask one of us admins first and we will see what can be done. But please, no matter what, do not do anything like that on en, especially to the main page. We do not want to break the wiki for everyone else.

Thank you Piotr! - Mike Battaglia (talk) 11:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC) Mike Battaglia (talk) 11:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Resetting my password on dev?

Why did you try to reset my password on dev? Don't play around like that - we can see Mike Battaglia (talk) 12:16, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Isn't dev: supposed to be for testing?! PiotrGrochowski (talk) 12:18, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Testing for MediaWiki pages, yes, but don't test hacking my account! What kind of testing are you trying to do? I thought you wanted to try redirects and HTML and stuff - why try to reset my password? Mike Battaglia (talk) 12:23, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Testing for MediaWiki pages, yes, but don't test hacking my account! What kind of testing are you trying to do? I thought you wanted to try redirects and HTML and stuff - why not try to reset my password? Mike Battaglia (talk) 12:23, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Fixed that. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 12:28, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

The answer to "why not reset my password" is because it creates a headache and makes me do extra work if I have to reset my password. This sort of thing is usually a bannable offense - while we enjoy you being here, you cannot do things that give us more work. Again: don't play with stuff like that! We don't want to ban you, but that's really serious. Mike Battaglia (talk) 16:52, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Patent val mappings and direct mappings - using both

Hi Piotr, just saw you added a bunch of patent val mappings to the EDO pages. This is very good information to have. It is also a good reference to have the "direct" mappings, even if inconsistent - we use these a lot for generating subgroup mappings, so I've added both to each page. There is also the concept of the "best" mapping using generalized patent vals - I don't know if that is on the wiki yet, but it would be good to add if not. Mike Battaglia (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Do you like https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/247892491/? I can't easily reprogram it to use the closest matches instead of patent ones though, as the project calculates the errors for 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15 (9 and 15 from the patent val), and it's hardwired so that each fraction has been given a text fraction pair and a code, e.g. the code 15 standing for "add the error for 3, subtract the error for 11" for 12/11, 11/6 (1=3, 2=5, 3=7, 4=9, 5=11, 6=13, 7=15). PiotrGrochowski (talk) 18:27, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Wiping Dev

Hi Piotr - we need to wipe dev soon to restart it from scratch. Are there any pages on there you want to save? Mike Battaglia (talk) 15:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

No, everything Xen has done is testing, except for The Xen which is now present here too. PiotrGrochowski (talk) 15:43, 23 September 2018 (UTC)