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The 5-limit parent comma for the '''diaschismic family''' is 2048/2025, the [[diaschisma]]. Its monzo is {{monzo| 11 -4 -2 }}, and flipping that yields {{multival| 2 -4 -11 }} for the wedgie for 5-limit '''diaschismic''', or '''srutal''', temperament. This tells us the period is half an octave, the [[Wikipedia: Greatest common divisor|GCD]] of 2 and -4, and that the generator is a fifth. Three periods gives 1800 cents, and decreasing this by two fifths gives the major third. [[34edo]] is a good tuning choice, with [[46edo]], [[56edo]], [[58edo]] or [[80edo]] being other possibilities. Both [[12edo]] and [[22edo]] support it, and retuning them to a MOS of diaschismic gives two scale possibilities.
The 5-limit parent comma for the '''diaschismic family''' is 2048/2025, the [[diaschisma]]. Its monzo is {{monzo| 11 -4 -2 }}, and flipping that yields {{multival| 2 -4 -11 }} for the wedgie for 5-limit '''diaschismic''', or '''srutal''', temperament. This tells us the period is half an octave, the [[Wikipedia: Greatest common divisor|GCD]] of 2 and -4, and that the generator is a fifth. Three periods gives 1800 cents, and decreasing this by two fifths gives the major third. [[34edo]] is a good tuning choice, with [[46edo]], [[56edo]], [[58edo]] or [[80edo]] being other possibilities. Both [[12edo]] and [[22edo]] support it, and retuning them to a MOS of diaschismic gives two scale possibilities.


= Srutal (12&34, aka diaschismic) =
== Srutal (12&34, aka diaschismic) ==


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== Seven limit extensions ==
=== Seven limit extensions ===
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at.  
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which 7-limit family member we are looking at.  


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Pajara, diaschismic, srutal and keen keep the same 1/2 octave period and fifth generator, but shrutar has a generator of a quarter-tone (which can be taken as [[36/35]], the septimal quarter-tone) and echidna has a generator of 9/7.
Pajara, diaschismic, srutal and keen keep the same 1/2 octave period and fifth generator, but shrutar has a generator of a quarter-tone (which can be taken as [[36/35]], the septimal quarter-tone) and echidna has a generator of 9/7.


= Srutal =
== Srutal ==
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Badness]]: 0.091504


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.035315


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.025286


= Pajara =
== Pajara ==
{{main| Pajara }}
{{main| Pajara }}


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[[Badness]]: 0.020033


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.020343


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.027642


== Pajarous ==
=== Pajarous ===
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.028349


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.025176


=== Pajaro ===
==== Pajaro ====
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.0274


== Pajaric ==
=== Pajaric ===
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.023798


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.0205
Badness: 0.0205


== Hemipaj ==
=== Hemipaj ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.038890


= Diaschismic =
== Diaschismic ==
A simpler characterization than the one given by the normal comma list is that diaschismic adds [[126/125]] or [[5120/5103]] to the set of commas, and it can also be called 46&58. However described, diaschismic has a 1/2 period and a sharp fifth generator like pajara, but not so sharp, giving a more accurate but more complex temperament. [[58edo]] provides an excellent tuning, but an alternative is to make [[7/4]] just by making the fifth 703.897 cents, as opposed to 703.448 cents for 58edo.
A simpler characterization than the one given by the normal comma list is that diaschismic adds [[126/125]] or [[5120/5103]] to the set of commas, and it can also be called 46&58. However described, diaschismic has a 1/2 period and a sharp fifth generator like pajara, but not so sharp, giving a more accurate but more complex temperament. [[58edo]] provides an excellent tuning, but an alternative is to make [[7/4]] just by making the fifth 703.897 cents, as opposed to 703.448 cents for 58edo.


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[[Badness]]: 0.037914


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.025034


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.018926
Badness: 0.018926


== 17-limit (Na"Naa') ==
=== 17-limit (Na"Naa') ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.016425


= Keen =
== Keen ==
Keen adds 875/864 as well as 2240/2187 to the set of commas. It may also be described as the 22&56 temperament. [[78edo]] is a good tuning choice, and remains a good one in the 11-limit, where keen, {{multival|2 -4 18 -12 … }}, is really more interesting, adding 100/99 and 385/384 to the commas.
Keen adds 875/864 as well as 2240/2187 to the set of commas. It may also be described as the 22&56 temperament. [[78edo]] is a good tuning choice, and remains a good one in the 11-limit, where keen, {{multival|2 -4 18 -12 … }}, is really more interesting, adding 100/99 and 385/384 to the commas.


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[[Badness]]: 0.083971


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.045270


= Bidia =
== Bidia ==
Bidia adds [[3136/3125]] to the commas, splitting the period into 1/4 octave. It may be called the 12&56 temperament.
Bidia adds [[3136/3125]] to the commas, splitting the period into 1/4 octave. It may be called the 12&56 temperament.


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[[Badness]]: 0.056474


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.040191


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.041137
Badness: 0.041137


== 17-limit ==
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.028631
Badness: 0.028631


= Echidna =
== Echidna ==
Echidna adds 1728/1715 to the commas and takes 9/7 as a generator. It may be called the 22&58 temperament. [[58edo]] or [[80edo]] make for good tunings, or their vals can be add to {{val| 138 219 321 388 }}.
Echidna adds 1728/1715 to the commas and takes 9/7 as a generator. It may be called the 22&58 temperament. [[58edo]] or [[80edo]] make for good tunings, or their vals can be add to {{val| 138 219 321 388 }}.


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[[Badness]]: 0.058033


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.025987


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.023679


== 17-limit ==
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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Badness: 0.020273


= Echidnic =
== Echidnic ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Badness]]: 0.072246


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.045127


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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== 17-limit ==
=== 17-limit ===
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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== Compositions ==
=== Compositions ===
* [https://untwelve.org/competition/2011 ''A Stiff Shot of Turpentine''] [https://untwelve.org/static/audio/competition/2011/Kosmorsky-A_Stiff_Shot_of_Turpentine.mp3 play] by [[Peter Kosmorsky]]
* [https://untwelve.org/competition/2011 ''A Stiff Shot of Turpentine''] [https://untwelve.org/static/audio/competition/2011/Kosmorsky-A_Stiff_Shot_of_Turpentine.mp3 play] by [[Peter Kosmorsky]]


= Shrutar =
== Shrutar ==
Shrutar adds 245/243 to the commas, and also tempers out 6144/6125. It can also be described as 22&amp;46. Its generator can be taken as either 36/35 or 35/24; the latter is interesting since along with 15/14 and 21/20, it connects opposite sides of a hexany. [[68edo]] makes for a good tuning, but another and excellent choice is a generator of 14<sup>(1/7)</sup>, making 7s just.
Shrutar adds 245/243 to the commas, and also tempers out 6144/6125. It can also be described as 22&amp;46. Its generator can be taken as either 36/35 or 35/24; the latter is interesting since along with 15/14 and 21/20, it connects opposite sides of a hexany. [[68edo]] makes for a good tuning, but another and excellent choice is a generator of 14<sup>(1/7)</sup>, making 7s just.


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{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 46, 68, 182b, 250bc }}
{{Val list|legend=1| 22, 46, 68, 182b, 250bc }}


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Vals: {{Val list| 22, 46, 68, 114, 296bce, 410bce }}
Vals: {{Val list| 22, 46, 68, 114, 296bce, 410bce }}


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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== 17-limit ==
=== 17-limit ===
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17


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== 19-limit ==
=== 19-limit ===
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17.19


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Badness: 0.0175


= Sruti =
== Sruti ==
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.0415


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.0238


= Anguirus =
== Anguirus ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.0493


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


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Badness: 0.0308


= Shru =
== Shru ==
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Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


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[[Badness]]: 0.1576


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Badness: 0.0635


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13