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== Interval chain == | == Interval chain == | ||
In the following table, | In the following table, harmonics and subharmonics 1–13 are labelled in '''bold'''. | ||
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<nowiki />* In 11-limit | <nowiki/>* In 11-limit CWE tuning | ||
== Scales == | == Scales == | ||
Revision as of 09:29, 7 December 2025
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At its most basic level, squares can be thought of as a 2.3.7-subgroup temperament (sometimes called skwares), generated by a flat ~9/7 such that four of them stack to the perfect eleventh, 8/3, therefore tempering out the comma 19683/19208. However, it is more natural to think of the temperament first as 2.3.7.11 subgroup, tempering out 99/98 so as to identify the generator with 14/11 in addition to 9/7 and so that two generators stack to the undecimal neutral sixth, 18/11, two of which are then identified with 8/3 due to tempering out 243/242. This can also be thought of as an octavization of the 3.7.11-subgroup mintaka temperament by identifying 2/1 with a false octave corresponding to 99/49~243/121, in a manner similar to sensi's relation to BPS.
However, since the fifth in skwares is tuned flat, it is very natural to combine the temperament with meantone to create full 11-limit squares, which additionally can be restricted to the 7-limit as the temperament with comma basis 81/80 and 2401/2400. This 11-limit temperament is considered below.
There is also a natural extension adding prime 23 by equating the generator to 23/18, and so finding 23 itself seven generators down, tempering out 162/161.
As for prime 13, the way to map it is less clear. The canonical squares mapping tempers out 144/143 in order to equate the tridecimal neutral sixth, 13/8, with 18/11, finding 13 two generators up, while agora tempers out 105/104 to equate 8/7 with 15/13, finding the 13th harmonic 29 generators down. These two mappings are enharmonically equivalent in 31edo. Finally, squad tempers out 351/343 (which is the same as 3.7.11.13 minalzidar's tempering of that prime) so that 13 is equated with (7/3)3, and found 15 generators down.
See Meantone family #Squares and No-fives subgroup temperaments #Skwares for more technical data.
Interval chain
In the following table, harmonics and subharmonics 1–13 are labelled in bold.
| # | Cents* | Approximate ratios | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 11-limit | 13-limit extensions | ||||
| Squares | Squad | Agora | |||
| 0 | 0.0 | 1/1 | |||
| 1 | 425.8 | 9/7, 14/11 | 13/10 | ||
| 2 | 851.7 | 18/11, 33/20, 44/27 | 13/8 | 21/13 | |
| 3 | 77.5 | 21/20, 28/27 | 27/26 | ||
| 4 | 503.4 | 4/3 | |||
| 5 | 929.2 | 12/7 | 22/13, 26/15 | ||
| 6 | 155.1 | 11/10, 12/11 | 13/12 | 14/13 | |
| 7 | 580.9 | 7/5 | 18/13 | ||
| 8 | 1006.8 | 9/5, 16/9 | |||
| 9 | 232.6 | 8/7 | 15/13 | ||
| 10 | 658.4 | 16/11, 22/15 | 13/9 | ||
| 11 | 1084.3 | 28/15 | 13/7 | 24/13 | |
| 12 | 310.1 | 6/5 | 13/11 | ||
| 13 | 736.0 | 32/21 | 20/13 | ||
| 14 | 1161.8 | 49/25, 64/33, 96/49 | 52/27 | ||
| 15 | 387.7 | 56/45 | 26/21 | 16/13 | |
| 16 | 813.5 | 8/5 | 21/13 | ||
| 17 | 39.3 | 36/35, 64/63 | |||
* In 11-limit CWE tuning
Scales
Tunings
| Euclidean | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Constrained | Constrained & skewed | Destretched | |
| Tenney | CTE: ~14/9 = 774.3052 ¢ | CWE: ~14/9 = 774.1560 ¢ | POTE: ~14/9 = 774.0585 ¢ |
| Euclidean | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Constrained | Constrained & skewed | Destretched | |
| Tenney | CTE: ~11/7 = 774.4005 ¢ | CWE: ~11/7 = 774.1754 ¢ | POTE: ~11/7 = 774.0427 ¢ |