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Swap n and k following the organization of other continua, and rework the intro to better reflect this change. Reserve "m" for 1/n + 1/m = 1 and use "l" for the other relation
The mixed table looked pretty awful as it mixed temps of utterly different complexity levels. I'm making a separate table for fractional-numbered temps.
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| [[20000/19683]]
| [[20000/19683]]
| {{monzo| 5 -9 4 }}
| {{monzo| 5 -9 4 }}
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| 3/2
| 5/2
| [[Fifive]]
| 9765625/9565938
| {{monzo| -1 -14 10 }}
|-
|-
| 1
| 1
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| [[15625/15552]]
| [[15625/15552]]
| {{monzo| -6 -5 6 }}
| {{monzo| -6 -5 6 }}
|-
| 2/3
| 10/3
| [[Gammic]]
| (28 digits)
| {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}
|-
| 3/5
| 17/5
| [[Chlorine]]
| (48 digits)
| {{monzo| -52 -17 34 }}
|-
| 1/2
| 7/2
| [[Vishnu]]
| [[6115295232/6103515625]]
| {{monzo| 23 6 -14 }}
|-
| 1/3
| 11/3
| [[Majvam]]
| (32 digits)
| {{monzo| 40 7 -22 }}
|-
|-
| 0
| 0
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| [[393216/390625]]
| [[393216/390625]]
| {{monzo| 17 1 -8 }}
| {{monzo| 17 1 -8 }}
|-
| -1/2
| 9/2
| [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=2.3.5.13.17&reduce=on&weights=tenney&target=&edos=&commas=35184372088832%2F34332275390625%2C+289%2F288%2C+2197%2F2187&submit_comma=submit 34&142]
| (28 digits)
| {{monzo| 45 -2 -18 }}
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| -1
| -1
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| [[1638400/1594323]]
| {{monzo| 16 -13 2 }}
| {{monzo| 16 -13 2 }}
|}
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Temperaments with fractional ''m'' and ''n''
|-
! ''n'' !! ''m'' !! Temperament !! Comma
|-
| 5/2 = 2.5 || 5/3 = 1.{{overline|6}} || [[Fifive]] || {{monzo| -1 -14 10 }}
|-
| 13/4 = 3.25 || 13/9 = 1.{{overline|4}} || [[Quatracot]] || {{monzo| -33 -16 26 }}
|-
| 10/3 = 3.{{overline|3}} || 10/7 = 1.{{overline|428571}} || [[Gammic]] || {{monzo| -29 -11 20 }}
|-
| 17/5 = 3.{{overline|4}} || 17/12 = 1.41{{overline|6}} || [[Chlorine]] || {{monzo| -52 -17 34 }}
|-
| 7/2 = 3.5 || 7/5 = 1.4 || [[Vishnu]] || {{monzo| 23 6 -14 }}
|-
| 11/3 = 3.{{overline|6}} || 11/8 = 1.375 || [[Majvam]] || {{monzo| 40 7 -22 }}
|-
| 9/2 = 4.5 || 9/7 = 1.{{overline|285714}} || 34 & 142 || {{monzo| 45 -2 -18 }}
|}
|}


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|+ Temperaments with fractional ''k'' and ''l''
|+ Temperaments with fractional ''k'' and ''l''
|-
|-
! Temperament !! ''l'' !! ''k''
! ''l'' !! ''k'' !! Temperament !! Comma
|-
|-
| [[Majvam]] || 1/2 = 0.5 || 1/3 = 0.{{overline|3}}
| 1/2 = 0.5 || 1/3 = 0.{{overline|3}} || [[Majvam]] || {{monzo| 40 7 -22 }}
|-
|-
| [[Chlorine]] || 3/2 = 1.5 || 3/5 = 0.6
| 3/2 = 1.5 || 3/5 = 0.6 || [[Chlorine]] || {{monzo| -52 -17 34 }}
|-
|-
| [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=2.3.5.13.17&reduce=on&weights=tenney&target=&edos=&commas=35184372088832%2F34332275390625%2C+289%2F288%2C+2197%2F2187&submit_comma=submit 34&142]
| -1/3 = -0.{{overline|3}} || -1/2 = -0.5 || 34 & 142 || {{monzo| 45 -2 -18 }}
| -1/3 = -0.{{overline|3}}
| -1/2 = -0.5
|}
|}


[[Category:34edo]]
[[Category:34edo]]
[[Category:Equivalence continua]]
[[Category:Equivalence continua]]

Revision as of 13:40, 23 July 2024

The diaschismic-kleismic equivalence continuum is a continuum of 5-limit temperaments that describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 34edo.

All temperaments in the continuum satisfy (2048/2025)n ~ [27 -17. Varying n results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to diaschismic as n approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite n, the continuum describes the set of all 5-limit temperaments supported by 34edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers out both commas and thus tempers out all combinations of them. The just value of n is approximately 3.41464…, and temperaments having n near this value tend to be the most accurate ones. This is more properly called the diaschismic-gothmic equivalence continuum.

The gothic comma is the characteristic 3-limit comma tempered out in 34edo. Describing the continuum this way has notable advantages – in particular, due to being determined in terms of the 3-limit comma and the comma with the next lowest power of 5, twice the numerator of the value of n represents the number of generator steps required to reach the interval class of 3.

Another reasonable way of defining this continuum equates a number of diaschismas (2048/2025) with the würschmidt comma (393216/390625), so that (2048/2025)k ~ 393216/390625. As a result, k = 4 - n, and this may also be called the diaschismic-würschmidt equivalence continuum, which is more or less the same thing. The just value of k is 0.5853…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate.

Temperaments in the diaschismic-gothic continuum
k n Temperament Comma
Ratio Monzo
4 0 Gothic 134217728/129140163 [27 -17
3 1 Immunity 1638400/1594323 [16 -13 2
2 2 Tetracot 20000/19683 [5 -9 4
1 3 Hanson 15625/15552 [-6 -5 6
0 4 Würschmidt 393216/390625 [17 1 -8
-1 5 Mabila 268435456/263671875 [28 -3 -10
-2 6 Goldis 549755813888/533935546875 [39 -7 -12
∞* Srutal 2048/2025 [11 -4 -2
* in projective tuning space, ∞ = -∞.

We may invert the continuum by setting m such that 1/n + 1/m = 1. The just value of m is 1.41414…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate ones.

Temperaments with integer m
m Temperament Comma
Ratio Monzo
0 Gothic 134217728/129140163 [27 -17
1 Srutal 2048/2025 [11 -4 -2
2 Tetracot 20000/19683 [5 -9 4
Immunity 1638400/1594323 [16 -13 2
Temperaments with fractional m and n
n m Temperament Comma
5/2 = 2.5 5/3 = 1.6 Fifive [-1 -14 10
13/4 = 3.25 13/9 = 1.4 Quatracot [-33 -16 26
10/3 = 3.3 10/7 = 1.428571 Gammic [-29 -11 20
17/5 = 3.4 17/12 = 1.416 Chlorine [-52 -17 34
7/2 = 3.5 7/5 = 1.4 Vishnu [23 6 -14
11/3 = 3.6 11/8 = 1.375 Majvam [40 7 -22
9/2 = 4.5 9/7 = 1.285714 34 & 142 [45 -2 -18

All temperaments in the continuum also satisfy (15625/15552)l ~ 393216/390625, for a value of l defined such that 1/k - 1/l = 1; equivalently, we can offset l by 1, and equate a number of kleismas (15625/15552) with the diaschisma. Varying l results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to hanson as l approaches infinity, and is motivated by the fact that many important temperaments of 34edo follow a chain of commas connected by kleismas.

Temperaments with integer l in the kleismic-würschmidt continuum
l Temperament Comma
Ratio Monzo
-4 34 & 113 152587890625/148769467776 [-7 -19 16
-3 Fifive 9765625/9565938 [-1 -14 10
-2 Tetracot 20000/19683 [5 -9 4
-1 Srutal 2048/2025 [11 -4 -2
0 Würschmidt 393216/390625 [17 1 -8
1 Vishnu 6115295232/6103515625 [23 6 -14
2 Gammic (28 digits) [-29 -11 20
3 Quatracot (38 digits) [-35 -16 26
Hanson 15625/15552 [-6 -5 6
Temperaments with fractional k and l
l k Temperament Comma
1/2 = 0.5 1/3 = 0.3 Majvam [40 7 -22
3/2 = 1.5 3/5 = 0.6 Chlorine [-52 -17 34
-1/3 = -0.3 -1/2 = -0.5 34 & 142 [45 -2 -18