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I see you have an EP labeled as using this undocumented temperament. Your link points to Graham's temperament finder, but I don't see the name in the database. So I wonder what this temperament is. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 12:08, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:The temperament isn't in Graham Breed's temperament finder. I found it in the list of rank-2 temperaments in Scala. Almost one year ago I was so bored that I copied that whole list into a personal file and I forgot about the source the months after. When I was composing something in this temperament I was assuming that I had it from Breed's temperament finder, not knowing that it is completely false. I haven't even thought about how wrong I am, and assuming that nobody was pointing it out, another person hasn't either. All I know is, that the generator is around 496 cents wide. Using xencalc, I assumed the ratio being 8192/6151. The same case goes with the temperament I called by myself "Helayo". The temperament is actually called "Golden Hemimeantone-Lala-Yoyo & Zozo" in Scala's list, but it isn't documented in Breed's temperament finder. Neither in its original name, nor in the name I gave it because the original name being too long for me. I assumed the ratio of the generator being 2048/1771. The name Helayo actually derived from it's original name, I just took the first syllables of the name, ignoring the words "golden" and "& Zozo". Because of these temperaments being basically undocumented, I left them unmentioned in any rank-2 tables. Just because I fool around in my compositions and in naming them, EPs and albums, doesn't mean, that I want to do it here. I postponed the exploration of never-used temperaments that aren't mentioned practically anywhere because I basically don't know anything about them. I'm so sorry for confusing you. --[[User:Francium|Francium]] ([[User talk:Francium|talk]]) 15:26, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

: The temperament isn't in Graham Breed's temperament finder. I found it in the list of rank-2 temperaments in Scala. Almost one year ago I was so bored that I copied that whole list into a personal file and I forgot about the source the months after. When I was composing something in this temperament I was assuming that I had it from Breed's temperament finder, not knowing that it is completely false. I haven't even thought about how wrong I am, and assuming that nobody was pointing it out, another person hasn't either. All I know is, that the generator is around 496 cents wide. Using xencalc, I assumed the ratio being 8192/6151. The same case goes with the temperament I called by myself "Helayo". The temperament is actually called "Golden Hemimeantone-Lala-Yoyo & Zozo" in Scala's list, but it isn't documented in Breed's temperament finder. Neither in its original name, nor in the name I gave it because the original name being too long for me. I assumed the ratio of the generator being 2048/1771. The name Helayo actually derived from it's original name, I just took the first syllables of the name, ignoring the words "golden" and "& Zozo". Because of these temperaments being basically undocumented, I left them unmentioned in any rank-2 tables. Just because I fool around in my compositions and in naming them, EPs and albums, doesn't mean, that I want to do it here. I postponed the exploration of never-used temperaments that aren't mentioned practically anywhere because I basically don't know anything about them. I'm so sorry for confusing you. --[[User:Francium|Francium]] ([[User talk:Francium|talk]]) 15:26, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:: Oh, now I see it's in Scala's list of rank-2 tunings. No wonder the word looked a bit familiar to me. In that case it's not a temperament, only a rank-2 tuning. Perhaps it's a tuning designed for a certain temperament but since you didn't have a temperament in mind it'd be better if we don't label it that. However, "helayo" is a real temperament because "lala-yoyo & zozo" is real temperament. Its optimal tuning is likely very close to "golden hemimeantone" so it's listed together in Scala. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 06:54, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

::: Okay, I see your point. I just got into exploring rank-2 temperaments (and tunings) back then. I thought that all "temperaments" on the list were actual temperaments, hence the title. So, I experimented with these, guilliable enough to believe that they were right, but at the time you were pointing out, that 1051edo wouldn't support Edson in an obvious way, I thought about changing my way in exploring rank-2 temperaments. Also I dropped the "temperament" thing, because the EP name was getting too long for me. I just changed the name of the Tibrepyt Temperament EP to "Tibrepyt". I will change the Bandcamp links, since they are now broken. And the thing on Spotify is, that the EP is in review again.

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 I see you have an EP labeled as using this undocumented temperament. Your link points to Graham's temperament finder, but I don't see the name in the database. So I wonder what this temperament is. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 12:08, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
-:The temperament isn't in Graham Breed's temperament finder. I found it in the list of rank-2 temperaments in Scala. Almost one year ago I was so bored that I copied that whole list into a personal file and I forgot about the source the months after. When I was composing something in this temperament I was assuming that I had it from Breed's temperament finder, not knowing that it is completely false. I haven't even thought about how wrong I am, and assuming that nobody was pointing it out, another person hasn't either. All I know is, that the generator is around 496 cents wide. Using xencalc, I assumed the ratio being 8192/6151. The same case goes with the temperament I called by myself "Helayo". The temperament is actually called "Golden Hemimeantone-Lala-Yoyo & Zozo" in Scala's list, but it isn't documented in Breed's temperament finder. Neither in its original name, nor in the name I gave it because the original name being too long for me. I assumed the ratio of the generator being 2048/1771. The name Helayo actually derived from it's original name, I just took the first syllables of the name, ignoring the words "golden" and "& Zozo". Because of these temperaments being basically undocumented, I left them unmentioned in any rank-2 tables. Just because I fool around in my compositions and in naming them, EPs and albums, doesn't mean, that I want to do it here. I postponed the exploration of never-used temperaments that aren't mentioned practically anywhere because I basically don't know anything about them. I'm so sorry for confusing you. --[[User:Francium|Francium]] ([[User talk:Francium|talk]]) 15:26, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
+: The temperament isn't in Graham Breed's temperament finder. I found it in the list of rank-2 temperaments in Scala. Almost one year ago I was so bored that I copied that whole list into a personal file and I forgot about the source the months after. When I was composing something in this temperament I was assuming that I had it from Breed's temperament finder, not knowing that it is completely false. I haven't even thought about how wrong I am, and assuming that nobody was pointing it out, another person hasn't either. All I know is, that the generator is around 496 cents wide. Using xencalc, I assumed the ratio being 8192/6151. The same case goes with the temperament I called by myself "Helayo". The temperament is actually called "Golden Hemimeantone-Lala-Yoyo & Zozo" in Scala's list, but it isn't documented in Breed's temperament finder. Neither in its original name, nor in the name I gave it because the original name being too long for me. I assumed the ratio of the generator being 2048/1771. The name Helayo actually derived from it's original name, I just took the first syllables of the name, ignoring the words "golden" and "& Zozo". Because of these temperaments being basically undocumented, I left them unmentioned in any rank-2 tables. Just because I fool around in my compositions and in naming them, EPs and albums, doesn't mean, that I want to do it here. I postponed the exploration of never-used temperaments that aren't mentioned practically anywhere because I basically don't know anything about them. I'm so sorry for confusing you. --[[User:Francium|Francium]] ([[User talk:Francium|talk]]) 15:26, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 :: Oh, now I see it's in Scala's list of rank-2 tunings. No wonder the word looked a bit familiar to me. In that case it's not a temperament, only a rank-2 tuning. Perhaps it's a tuning designed for a certain temperament but since you didn't have a temperament in mind it'd be better if we don't label it that. However, "helayo" is a real temperament because "lala-yoyo & zozo" is real temperament. Its optimal tuning is likely very close to "golden hemimeantone" so it's listed together in Scala. [[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 06:54, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
+::: Okay, I see your point. I just got into exploring rank-2 temperaments (and tunings) back then. I thought that all "temperaments" on the list were actual temperaments, hence the title. So, I experimented with these, guilliable enough to believe that they were right, but at the time you were pointing out, that 1051edo wouldn't support Edson in an obvious way, I thought about changing my way in exploring rank-2 temperaments. Also I dropped the "temperament" thing, because the EP name was getting too long for me. I just changed the name of the Tibrepyt Temperament EP to "Tibrepyt". I will change the Bandcamp links, since they are now broken. And the thing on Spotify is, that the EP is in review again.