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::::::::: Ozan Yarman. The only problem is that I wouldn't know how to get a hold of the man... Regardless, he's definitely someone who would know about all this... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 20:27, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::: A couple updates. I see the fundamental issue as being whether the practice of Maqam Huzam in Arabic traditional music is implying 13 limit ratios. I already know Maqam Huzam is notated with quartertone accidentals, so this would be a fair reason for calling 512/507 the Huzama if the implied ratios are 13-limit. I think the clearest indicator is whether the interval Ed-Ab is tuned closer to 13/10 or 9/7. Unfortunately, actual pitch measurements of Arab rather than Turkish scales seem hard to come by. I found a couple of theoretical sources which would imply this interval is tuned closer to 9/7 e.g. https://www.alsiadi.com/Maqam_Huzam.html and the "Egyptian tuning of Amin Ad-Dik" reported in table 4.12 of Ozan Yarman's doctoral Thesis. However, literal 24-EDO would imply 13/10ths, and that has a long history in Arabic theory and practice (e.g. I've seen multiple reports that Arabic qanuns typically don't have notes outside 24edo.) Another point in favor of 13/10 is that the 9/7 tuning results in an unusually wide Augmented second from Ab to B (The augmented seconds in Hijaz tetrachords are generally described as being smaller than a 12-edo minor third, but this would be larger.) In any event, I may try to contact Ozan Yarman as his email is listed on some of his papers. His specialty appears to be Turkish rather than Arabic music, but he seems knowledgeable about both. --[[User:Rperlner|Rperlner]] ([[User talk:Rperlner|talk]]) 03:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

::::::: A really catchy notation using <code>=</code> for tempering out an interval! Do you maybe have a good name for [[44/27]]? I just created a page for it. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 22:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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 ::::::::: Ozan Yarman.  The only problem is that I wouldn't know how to get a hold of the man...  Regardless, he's definitely someone who would know about all this... --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 20:27, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::::: A couple updates. I see the fundamental issue as being whether the practice of Maqam Huzam in Arabic traditional music is implying 13 limit ratios. I already know Maqam Huzam is notated with quartertone accidentals, so this would be a fair reason for calling 512/507 the Huzama if the implied ratios are 13-limit. I think the clearest indicator is whether the interval Ed-Ab is tuned closer to 13/10 or 9/7. Unfortunately, actual pitch measurements of Arab rather than Turkish scales seem hard to come by. I found a couple of theoretical sources which would imply this interval is tuned closer to 9/7 e.g. https://www.alsiadi.com/Maqam_Huzam.html and the "Egyptian tuning of Amin Ad-Dik" reported in table 4.12 of Ozan Yarman's doctoral Thesis. However, literal 24-EDO would imply 13/10ths, and that has a long history in Arabic theory and practice (e.g. I've seen multiple reports that Arabic qanuns typically don't have notes outside 24edo.) Another point in favor of 13/10 is that the 9/7 tuning results in an unusually wide Augmented second from Ab to B (The augmented seconds in Hijaz tetrachords are generally described as being smaller than a 12-edo minor third, but this would be larger.) In any event, I may try to contact Ozan Yarman as his email is listed on some of his papers. His specialty appears to be Turkish rather than Arabic music, but he seems knowledgeable about both. --[[User:Rperlner|Rperlner]] ([[User talk:Rperlner|talk]]) 03:48, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 ::::::: A really catchy notation using <code>=</code> for tempering out an interval! Do you maybe have a good name for [[44/27]]? I just created a page for it. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 22:45, 24 November 2020 (UTC)