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| Title = Pontiac
| Title = Pontiac
| Subgroups = 2.3.5.7
| Subgroups = 2.3.5.7
| Comma basis = [[32805/32768]], [[4375/4374]]
| Comma basis = [[4375/4374]], [[32805/32768]]
| Generator = 3/2
| Generator = 3/2
| Mapping = 1; 1 -8 39
| Mapping = 1; 1 -8 39
| Pergen = (P8, P5)
| Pergen = (P8, P5)
| Edo join 1 = 53 | Edo join 2 = 65
| Edo join 1 = 53 | Edo join 2 = 171
| Optimization method = CWE
| Optimization method = CWE
| Generator tuning = 701.758
| Generator tuning = 701.758
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| Odd limit 2 = (7-limit) 63 | Mistuning 2 = 0.716 | Complexity 2 = 118
| Odd limit 2 = (7-limit) 63 | Mistuning 2 = 0.716 | Complexity 2 = 118
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}}
'''Pontiac''' is a 7-limit (and higher) [[temperament]] of the [[Schismatic family #Pontiac|schismatic family]]. It is an extension of [[Helmholtz (temperament)|helmholtz]] temperament beyond the 5-limit but with the same simple chain-of-fifths structure (so that standard notation may be used). As in helmholtz temperament, [[5/4]] is mapped to the diminished fourth (e.g. C-F♭), and the new mapping specific to pontiac is that [[7/4]] is mapped to the quintuple augmented third (e.g. C-Exx#). This makes pontiac a [[Ragismic microtemperaments|ragismic temperament]]. An excellent tuning for pontiac is [[171edo]], and [[MOS]]es of size 12, 17, 29, 41, 53, 65, and 118 are available.
'''Pontiac''' is a [[7-limit]] (and higher) [[regular temperament|temperament]] of the [[schismatic family]]. It is an [[extension]] of [[helmholtz (temperament)|helmholtz]] temperament beyond the [[5-limit]] but with the same simple [[chain of fifths|chain-of-fifths]] structure (so that standard notation may be used). As in helmholtz temperament, [[5/4]] is mapped to the diminished fourth (e.g. C–F♭), and the new mapping specific to pontiac is that [[7/4]] is mapped to the quintuple-augmented third (e.g. C–Exx#). This makes pontiac a [[ragismic microtemperaments|ragismic temperament]]. An excellent tuning for pontiac is [[171edo]], and [[mos scale]]s of size 12, 17, 29, 41, 53, 65, and 118 are available.


Immediate 11-limit extensions include ''helenoid'' (53 & 65), mapping 11/8 to -30 fifths, ''ponta'' (53 & 171), mapping 11/8 to -83 fifths, and ''pontic'' (118 & 171), mapping 11/8 to +88 fifths.  
Immediate 11-limit extensions include helenoid ({{nowrap| 53 & 65 }}), mapping 11/8 to -30 fifths, ''ponta'' ({{nowrap| 171 & 224 }}), mapping 11/8 to -83 fifths, and ''pontic'' ({{nowrap| 118 & 171 }}), mapping 11/8 to +88 fifths.  


Pontiac was named by [[Gene Ward Smith]] in 2004<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10729.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | Beep, orwell, and schismic]</ref>. For technical data see [[Schismatic family#Pontiac]].
Pontiac was named by [[Gene Ward Smith]] in 2004<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10729.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | Beep, orwell, and schismic]</ref>. For technical data see [[Schismatic family#Pontiac]].
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! rowspan="3" | Cents*
! rowspan="3" | Cents*
! colspan="4" | Approximate Ratios
! colspan="4" | Approximate ratios
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! rowspan="2" | 7-limit
! rowspan="2" | 7-limit
! colspan="3" | 17-limit Extension
! colspan="3" | 17-limit extension
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! Helenoid
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== Notation ==
== Notation ==
Using pontiac can be a challenge because it defies the tradition of tertian harmony in [[circle-of-fifths notation]]. The just major triad on C is C-Fb-G, for example. One may want to adopt an additional module of accidentals such as arrows to represent the comma step, allowing them to write the chord above as C-vE-G.  
Using pontiac can be a challenge because it defies the tradition of tertian harmony in [[chain-of-fifths notation]]. The just major triad on C is C–Fb–G, for example. One may want to adopt an additional module of accidentals such as arrows to represent the comma step, allowing them to write the chord above as C–vE–G.  


However, that which is considered sufficient to notate [[Garibaldi #Notation|garibaldi]] may not be sufficient for pontiac when it comes to septimal and undecimal harmony, as 7/4 is a triple-up major sixth (C-^<sup>3</sup>A), which is still a lot of stacks of bending. The interval is often notated as a down-minor seventh such as in [[FJS]] and [[HEJI]]. Combination of these reasons suggests that another set of accidentals to represent [[64/63]], the septimal comma, or [[5120/5103]], the amount by which the septimal comma exceeds the syntonic comma, may be desired. Ponta, one notable extension to the 11-limit, identifies the undecimal quartertone of [[33/32]] by a stack of two septimal commas, and can benefit considerably from this new set of accidentals.  
However, that which is considered sufficient to notate [[garibaldi #Notation|garibaldi]] may not be sufficient for pontiac when it comes to septimal and undecimal harmony, as 7/4 is a triple-up major sixth (C–^<sup>3</sup>A), which is still a lot of stacks of bending. The interval is often notated as a down-minor seventh such as in [[FJS]] and [[HEJI]]. Combination of these reasons suggests that another set of accidentals to represent [[64/63]], the septimal comma, or [[5120/5103]], the amount by which the septimal comma exceeds the syntonic comma, may be desired. Ponta, one notable extension to the 11-limit, identifies the undecimal quartertone of [[33/32]] by a stack of two septimal commas, and can benefit considerably from this new set of accidentals.  


== Tuning spectra ==
== Tuning spectra ==
=== Helenoid ===
=== Helenoid ===
Gencom: [2 4/3; 352/351 385/384 561/560 625/624 729/728]
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 -1 19 -9 -10 29 | 0 -1 8 -39 30 33 -60 }}
{| class="wikitable center-1 center-2"
{| class="wikitable center-1 center-2"
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=== Ponta ===
=== Ponta ===
Gencom: [2 4/3; 375/374 540/539 625/624 729/728 2200/2197]
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 -1 19 -31 -10 29 | 0 -1 8 -39 83 33 -60 }}
{| class="wikitable center-1 center-2"
{| class="wikitable center-1 center-2"
|-
|-
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=== Pontic ===
=== Pontic ===
Gencom: [2 4/3; 441/440 595/594 625/624 729/728 2880/2873]
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 -1 19 40 -10 29 | 0 -1 8 -39 -88 33 -60 }}
{| class="wikitable center-1 center-2"
{| class="wikitable center-1 center-2"
|-
|-