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The '''Archytas–diatonic equivalence continuum''', or '''septimal–diatonic equivalence continuum''', is a [[equivalence continuum|continuum]] of [[2.3.7 subgroup]] temperaments which equate a number of [[64/63|Archytas commas (64/63)]] with the [[256/243|limma (256/243)]].
The '''Archytas–diatonic equivalence continuum''', or '''septimal–diatonic equivalence continuum''', is a [[equivalence continuum|continuum]] of [[2.3.7 subgroup]] temperaments which equate a number of [[64/63|Archytas' commas (64/63)]] with the [[256/243|Pythagorean limma (256/243)]]. This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all [[2.3.7 subgroup|2.3.7-subgroup]] temperaments [[support]]ed by [[5edo]].  


All temperaments in the continuum satisfy {{nowrap|(64/63)<sup>''n''</sup> ~ 256/243}}. Varying ''n'' results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to [[archy]] as ''n'' approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite ''n'', the continuum describes the set of all 2.3.7 subgroup temperaments supported by [[5edo]] (due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers both commas and thus tempers all combinations of them). The just value of ''n'' is 3.3093…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate ones.
All temperaments in the continuum satisfy {{nowrap|(64/63)<sup>''n''</sup> ~ 256/243}}. Varying ''n'' results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to [[archy]] as ''n'' approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite ''n'', the continuum describes the set of all 2.3.7 subgroup temperaments supported by 5edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers both commas and thus tempers all combinations of them. The just value of ''n'' is 3.3093…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate ones.


256/243 is the characteristic [[3-limit]] comma tempered out in [[5edo]]. In each case, we notice that ''n'' equals the order of harmonic 7 in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of generators to obtain a harmonic 3 in the MOS scale.  
256/243 is the characteristic [[3-limit]] comma tempered out in 5edo, and has many advantages as a target. In each case, ''n'' equals the order of harmonic 7 in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of generators to obtain a harmonic 3 in the generator chain.  


{| class="wikitable center-1 center-2"
{| class="wikitable center-1"
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Temperaments in the continuum
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Temperaments in the continuum
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! Ratio
! Ratio
! Monzo
! S. monzo
|-
|-
| 0
| 0
| [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=2.3.7&reduce=off&weights=weil&target=&edos=5+%26+5d&submit_edo=submit&commas= 2.3.7 blackwood]
| [https://sintel.pythonanywhere.com/result?subgroup=2.3.7&reduce=off&weights=weil&target=&edos=5+%26+5d&submit_edo=submit&commas= 2.3.7 blackwood]
| [[256/243]]
| [[256/243]]
| {{monzo| 8 -5 }}
| {{Monzo| 8 -5 }}
|-
|-
| 1
| 1
| [[Trienstonic clan #No-fives trienstonic|No-fives trienstonic]]
| [[Trienstonian]]
| [[28/27]]
| [[28/27]]
| {{monzo| 2 -3 1 }}
| {{Monzo| 2 -3 1 }}
|-
|-
| 2
| 2
| [[Semaphore]]
| [[Semaphore]]
| [[49/48]]
| [[49/48]]
| {{monzo| -4 -1 2 }}
| {{Monzo| -4 -1 2 }}
|-
|-
| 2.5
| 2.5
| [[Cloudy]]
| [[Cloudy]] retraction
| [[16807/16384]]
| [[16807/16384]]
| {{monzo| -14 0 5 }}
| {{Monzo| -14 0 5 }}
|-
|-
| 3
| 3
| [[Slendric]]
| [[Slendric]]
| [[1029/1024]]
| [[1029/1024]]
| {{monzo| -10 1 3 }}
| {{Monzo| -10 1 3 }}
|-
|-
| 3.3
| 3.3
| 5 & 436
| 5 & 436
| <abbr title="s">[very long]</abbr>
| (72 digits)
| {{monzo| 118 -16 -33 }}
| {{Monzo| 118 -16 -33 }}
|-
|-
| 10/3
| 10/3
| [[Slendric schisma|Slendroschismic]]*
| [[Slendroschismic]]
| 68719476736/68641485507
| 68719476736/68641485507
| {{monzo| 36 -5 0 -10 }}
| {{Monzo| 36 -5 -10 }}
|-
|-
| 3.5
| 3.5
| [[Septiness]]
| [[Septiness]] restriction
| 67108864/66706983
| 67108864/66706983
| {{monzo| 26 -4 -7 }}
| {{Monzo| 26 -4 -7 }}
|-
|-
| 4
| 4
| [[Buzzard]]
| [[Buzzard]]
| [[65536/64827]]
| [[65536/64827]]
| {{monzo| 16 -3 -4 }}
| {{Monzo| 16 -3 -4 }}
|-
|-
| 5
| 5
| [[5th-octave temperaments#Obscenity|Obscenity]]
| [[Obscenity]]
| 4194304/4084101
| [[4194304/4084101]]
| {{monzo| 22 -5 -5 }}
| {{Monzo| 22 -5 -5 }}
|-
|-
| …
| …
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|-
| ∞
| ∞
| [[Archytas clan#Archy|Archy]]
| [[Archy]]
| [[64/63]]
| [[64/63]]
| {{monzo| 6 -2 -1 }}
| {{Monzo| 6 -2 -1 }}
|}
|}
<nowiki />* The name "slendroschismic" may be changed to minimise confusion with confusingly named temperaments, or those temperaments may be changed instead, either way consensus would first need to be formed.


[[Category:5edo]]
[[Category:5edo]]
[[Category:Equivalence continua]]
[[Category:Equivalence continua]]

Revision as of 12:40, 1 May 2026

The Archytas–diatonic equivalence continuum, or septimal–diatonic equivalence continuum, is a continuum of 2.3.7 subgroup temperaments which equate a number of Archytas' commas (64/63) with the Pythagorean limma (256/243). This continuum is theoretically interesting in that these are all 2.3.7-subgroup temperaments supported by 5edo.

All temperaments in the continuum satisfy (64/63)n ~ 256/243. Varying n results in different temperaments listed in the table below. It converges to archy as n approaches infinity. If we allow non-integer and infinite n, the continuum describes the set of all 2.3.7 subgroup temperaments supported by 5edo due to it being the unique equal temperament that tempers both commas and thus tempers all combinations of them. The just value of n is 3.3093…, and temperaments near this tend to be the most accurate ones.

256/243 is the characteristic 3-limit comma tempered out in 5edo, and has many advantages as a target. In each case, n equals the order of harmonic 7 in the corresponding comma, and equals the number of generators to obtain a harmonic 3 in the generator chain.

Temperaments in the continuum
n Temperament Comma
Ratio S. monzo
0 2.3.7 blackwood 256/243 [8 -5
1 Trienstonian 28/27 [2 -3 1
2 Semaphore 49/48 [-4 -1 2
2.5 Cloudy retraction 16807/16384 [-14 0 5
3 Slendric 1029/1024 [-10 1 3
3.3 5 & 436 (72 digits) [118 -16 -33
10/3 Slendroschismic 68719476736/68641485507 [36 -5 -10
3.5 Septiness restriction 67108864/66706983 [26 -4 -7
4 Buzzard 65536/64827 [16 -3 -4
5 Obscenity 4194304/4084101 [22 -5 -5
Archy 64/63 [6 -2 -1