Talk:Classic

"Classic pental"

I do not understand this recent change. If anyone is concerned that "classic" does not clearly convey the meaning "5-limit", they are free to use another term. This page was intended only to capture the fact that this is what many people mean when they use the word "classic".

I don't understand what value the word "classic" has in the descriptor "classic pental". That is redundant. Why not just say "pental"? Therefore I'm concerned that with "classipent" you're just making up a word with no value. I have never heard anyone else use these terms. --Cmloegcmluin (talk) 00:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I would add that classic probably stands for the belief that, provided one intones sensitively and builds on perfect temperament, octaves, fifths and thirds can be harmonically reconciled within the bounds of 12 notes. Based on that, pental seems me to focus on the wrong thing. Maybe the Discord results should not be "glued" to the original statement this way. --Xenwolf (talk) 15:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

For my part, I'm forced to say that there are multiple pental major thirds and multiple pental minor thirds. For example, both 5/4 and 164025/131072 are pental major thirds since both are 5-limit. As far as I'm concerned, "pental" by itself could refer to either of these, and "classic" by itself could easily be used to refer to 3-limit intervals just as easily as 5-limit intervals. --Aura (talk) 00:53, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Xenwolf that pental is approaching a different problem. The term classic major third refers only to one thing: 5/4, while I agree you could use pental for anything you want (the examples you give are obvious reasonable choices). Classic is used as part of several popular, established names for intervals. For an example, please consider the page chromatic semitone. The entire point of this article is to document how "classic" is understood in this domain to not refer to 3-limit intervals or anything other than 5-limit. I made this page exactly because that fact is not obvious from the word itself. I only recently learned that fact myself, and I wanted to document it for the benefit of others. If you agree with this purpose, Aura, I suggest you revert your edit and document your thoughts on pental elsewhere (feel free to link there from here, though, because that would certainly be useful). --Cmloegcmluin (talk) 15:15, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Done. However, I now have a question as to how to refer to intervals like 10/9... "Classic Major Second"? --Aura (talk) 21:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I think that's common. A search of the wiki for results "containing..." using quotes for "classic major second" seems to confirm. Whereas 9/8 would be the Pythagorean major second, because Pythagorean functions just like "classic", except for 3-limit. --Cmloegcmluin (talk) 23:25, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Redirect to 5-limit

I suggest to redirect directly to 5-limit and put the word "classic" in bold on that page. Any clarification provided here could be moved over as well, if deemed useful. --Fredg999 (talk) 04:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

As the original creator of this page, that's totally fine by me. --Cmloegcmluin (talk) 16:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)