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'''4375/4374''', the '''ragisma''', being the difference between a stack of two [[27/25|large limmas]] and [[7/6]], is a [[7-limit]] [[unnoticeable comma]]. It is the smallest 7-limit [[superparticular]] ratio. It is tempered out in [[ragismic microtemperaments]]. 4375/4374 is also equal to ([[25/18]])<sup>2</sup>/([[27/14]]) and the difference between a [[kleisma]] and a [[marvel comma]].
'''4375/4374''', the '''ragisma''', is an [[unnoticeable comma|unnoticeable]] [[7-limit]] [[comma]] with a size of about 0.396 [[cent]]s. It is the smallest 7-limit [[superparticular]] ratio, being the amount by which a stack of two [[27/25|large limmas]] falls short of [[7/6]], (7/6)/(27/25)<sup>2</sup>, as is conveniently codified by its [[S-expression]] of S25/S27. It is also the difference between a stack of four [[10/9|classical whole tones (10/9)]] and [[32/21]], and the difference between a stack of four [[6/5|classical minor thirds (6/5)]] [[octave reduction|octave-reduced]] and [[28/27]]. In term of other commas, it is equal to the difference between a [[15625/15552|kleisma]] and a [[marvel comma]].
 
== Temperaments ==
[[Tempering out]] this comma leads to the [[ragismic]] temperament, enabling [[ragismic chords]] in the [[27-odd-limit]]. See [[Ragismic family]] for the rank-3 family where it is tempered out. See [[Ragismic microtemperaments]] for a collection of rank-2 temperaments where it is tempered out.
 
== Etymology ==
This comma was allegedly named by [[Erv Wilson]] no later than 2001<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_22165.html#22220 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Re: What is a monzisma?'']</ref>. Interestingly, by 2004 people had already lost track of its origin and meaning<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning-math/topicId_10195.html#10202 Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Comma names'']</ref>. It is speculated that it could have been named after [[Indian]] ragas.  


== See also ==
== See also ==
* [[Ragismic family]] – the rank-3 family where it is tempered out
* [[Ragismic microtemperaments]] – a collection of rank-2 temperaments where it is tempered out
* [[Unnoticeable comma]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
* [[List of superparticular intervals]]
== References ==


[[Category:Ragismic]]
[[Category:Ragismic]]
[[Category:Commas with unknown etymology]]
[[Category:Commas named after musical traditions]]

Latest revision as of 16:28, 25 March 2026

Interval information
Ratio 4375/4374
Factorization 2-1 × 3-7 × 54 × 7
Monzo [-1 -7 4 1
Size in cents 0.3957559¢
Name ragisma
Color name zy41, zoquadyo 1sn,
Zoquadyo comma
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{A1}^{5,5,5,5,7} }[/math]
Special properties superparticular,
reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 24.1898
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 24.1901
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 50
Comma size unnoticeable
S-expression S25/S27
Open this interval in xen-calc
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4375/4374, the ragisma, is an unnoticeable 7-limit comma with a size of about 0.396 cents. It is the smallest 7-limit superparticular ratio, being the amount by which a stack of two large limmas falls short of 7/6, (7/6)/(27/25)2, as is conveniently codified by its S-expression of S25/S27. It is also the difference between a stack of four classical whole tones (10/9) and 32/21, and the difference between a stack of four classical minor thirds (6/5) octave-reduced and 28/27. In term of other commas, it is equal to the difference between a kleisma and a marvel comma.

Temperaments

Tempering out this comma leads to the ragismic temperament, enabling ragismic chords in the 27-odd-limit. See Ragismic family for the rank-3 family where it is tempered out. See Ragismic microtemperaments for a collection of rank-2 temperaments where it is tempered out.

Etymology

This comma was allegedly named by Erv Wilson no later than 2001[1]. Interestingly, by 2004 people had already lost track of its origin and meaning[2]. It is speculated that it could have been named after Indian ragas.

See also

References