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'''189/187''', or the '''chouten comma''' is a [[17-limit]] or 3.7.11.17-subgroup [[comma]] of about 18.42 [[cent]]s.
'''189/187''', or the '''chouten comma''' is a [[17-limit]] or 3.7.11.17-subgroup [[comma]] of about 18.42 [[cent]]s.


This comma is the difference between [[21/11]] and [[17/9]], or [[11/9]] and [[21/17]], etc.
This comma is the difference between [[21/11]] and [[17/9]], or [[11/9]] and [[21/17]], [[18/17]] and [[22/21]] etc.
 
==Commatic relations==
==Commatic relations==
This comma is the sum of the following comma combinations:
This comma is the sum of the following comma combinations:
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* [[81/80]] and [[561/560]]
* [[81/80]] and [[561/560]]
* [[91/90]] and [[2431/2430]]
* [[91/90]] and [[2431/2430]]
===[[S-expression]]===
189/187 is a 1/4-square particulars which is S18*S19*S20*S21.
==Temperament==
==Temperament==
Tempering out this comma in the 3.7.11.17 [[subgroup]] leads to the rank-3 '''chouten temperament'''.
Tempering out this comma in the 3.7.11.17 [[subgroup]] leads to the rank-3 '''chouten temperament'''.

Latest revision as of 07:14, 20 April 2026

Interval information
Ratio 189/187
Factorization 33 × 7 × 11-1 × 17-1
Monzo [0 3 0 1 -1 0 -1
Size in cents 18.41756¢
Name chouten comma
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{A1}^{7}_{11,17} }[/math]
Special properties reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 15.1091
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 15.1245
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 44
Comma size small
Open this interval in xen-calc

189/187, or the chouten comma is a 17-limit or 3.7.11.17-subgroup comma of about 18.42 cents.

This comma is the difference between 21/11 and 17/9, or 11/9 and 21/17, 18/17 and 22/21 etc.

Commatic relations

This comma is the sum of the following comma combinations:

also the difference between following comma pairs:

S-expression

189/187 is a 1/4-square particulars which is S18*S19*S20*S21.

Temperament

Tempering out this comma in the 3.7.11.17 subgroup leads to the rank-3 chouten temperament.

Chouten

rank: 3

subgroup: 3.7.11.17

comma basis: [3 1 -1 -1] 189/187

edts: 5, 22, 17, 12, 27, 26, 7, 9, 48, 31, 21, 6[+17], 53, 43, 16

edt join: 5 & 22 & 48

mapping: [⟨1 1 2 2], ⟨0 1 0 1], ⟨0 0 1 -1]]

preimage: 3, 7/3, 11/9

WE tuning: 1899.601, 1466.758, 355.824

CWE tuning: 1901.955, 1466.397, 355.180

WE errors: -2.354, -2.467, 3.709, 5.181

CWE errors: 0.000, -0.473, 7.772, 10.172

badness(sintel): 0.056

all the patent vals(edo): 2 7 8 10 12 14 16 24 26 28 29 31 33 34 36 40 41 43 50 55 57 60 64 65 67 69 81 88 91 93 98 100 110 117 122 134

Etymology

Chouten is the abbreviation for chouzetsusaikawa tenshi-chan which is a fictional character from the game needy streamer overload. This name was humorously proposed in 2023 within a small online community, and has been introduced to serve as a optional naming for this comma.