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This tempers out the fifive comma, 9765625/9565938 = |-1 -14 10>.
{{Technical data page}}
The '''fifive family''' of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[fifive comma]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -1 -14 10 }}, [[ratio]]: 9765625/9565938).


=Fifive=
The name ''fifive'' was given by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011 for it splits the [[3/2|perfect fifth]] in five.<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101780.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | ''Suggested names for the unclasified temperaments'']</ref>
Comma: 9765625/9565938


POTE generator: ~27/25 = 140.624
Considered below are crepuscular, fifives, and fourfives.  


Map: [&lt;2 2 3|, &lt;0 5 7|]
== Fifive ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5


EDOs: 8, 26, 34, 94, 128
[[Comma list]]: 9765625/9565938


Badness: 0.2058
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 2 3 | 0 5 7 }}


=Crepuscular=
: mapping generators: ~78125/50421, ~27/25
Commas: 50/49, 4375/4374


POTE generator: ~27/25 = 140.349
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[CTE]]: ~78125/50421 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 140.6349
* [[POTE]]: ~78125/50421 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 140.624


Map: [&lt;2 2 3 4|, &lt;0 5 7 7|]
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 18bc, 26, 34, 94, 128 }}


Wedgie: &lt;&lt;10 14 14 -1 -6 -7||
[[Badness]]:  
* Smith: 0.205812
* Dirichlet: 4.828


EDOs: 8d, 26, 34d, 60d
=== 2.3.5.13 subgroup ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.13


Badness: 0.0867
Comma list: 325/324, 20000/19773


==11-limit==
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 6 | 0 5 7 6 }}
Commas: 50/49, 99/98, 864/847


POTE generator: ~12/11 = 140.587
: mapping generators: ~351/250, ~13/12


Map: [&lt;2 2 3 4 6|, &lt;0 5 7 7 4|]
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~351/250 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.5685
* CWE: ~351/250 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.6232


EDOs: 8d, 26, 34d, 60d
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 8, 18bcf, 26, 34, 94, 128 }}


Badness: 0.0408
Badness:
* Smith: 0.0240
* Dirichlet: 0.800


==13-limit==
=== 2.3.5.13.17 subgroup ===
Commas: 50/49, 78/77, 99/98, 144/143
Subgroup: 2.3.5.13.17


POTE generator: ~12/11 = 140.554
Comma list: 170/169, 289/288, 325/324


Map: [&lt;2 2 3 4 6 6|, &lt;0 5 7 7 4 6|]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 6 7 | 0 5 7 6 5 }}


EDOs: 8d, 26, 34d, 60d
: mapping generators: ~17/12, ~13/12


Badness: 0.0244
Optimal tunings:
* CTE: ~17/12 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.5958
* CWE: ~17/12 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.6057


=Fifives=
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 8, 18bcfg, 26, 34, 94, 128 }}
Commas: 875/864, 83349/81920


POTE generator: ~27/25 = 139.909
Badness:  
* Smith: 0.0110
* Dirichlet: 0.488


Map: [&lt;2 2 3 7|, &lt;0 5 7 -6|]
== Crepuscular ==
{{See also| Jubilismic clan #Crepuscular }}


EDOs: 8, 26, 34, 60, 94d
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


Badness: 0.1306
[[Comma list]]: 50/49, 4375/4374


=Fourfives=
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 2 3 4 | 0 5 7 7 }}
Commas: 245/243, 235298/234375


POTE generator: ~27/25 = 140.754
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 140.349


Map: [&lt;4 4 6 7|, &lt;0 5 7 9|]
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 26, 34d, 60d }}


EDOs: 8d, 60, 68, 128
[[Badness]]: 0.086669


Badness: 0.1141
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


==11-limit==
Comma list: 50/49, 99/98, 864/847
Commas: 245/243, 385/384, 235298/234375


POTE generator: ~27/25 = 140.771
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 4 6 | 0 5 7 7 4 }}


Map: [&lt;4 4 6 7 19|, &lt;0 5 7 9 -11|]
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 140.587


EDOs: 8de, 60, 68, 128, 196
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 26, 34d, 60d }}


Badness: 0.1202
Badness: 0.040758


==13-limit==
=== 13-limit ===
Commas: 196/195, 245/243, 385/384, 20000/19773
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


POTE generator: ~13/12 = 140.760
Comma list: 50/49, 78/77, 99/98, 144/143


Map: [&lt;4 4 6 7 19 12|, &lt;0 5 7 9 -11 6|]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 4 6 6 | 0 5 7 7 4 6 }}


EDOs: 8de, 60, 68, 128, 196f
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 140.554


Badness: 0.0674
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 26, 34d, 60d }}
 
Badness: 0.024368
 
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 50/49, 78/77, 85/84, 99/98, 144/143
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 4 6 6 7 | 0 5 7 7 4 6 5 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 140.405
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 26, 34d, 60d }}
 
Badness: 0.018567
 
== Fifives ==
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 875/864, 83349/81920
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 2 3 7 | 0 5 7 -6 }}
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~567/400 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 139.909
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 26, 34, 60 }}
 
[[Badness]]: 0.130589
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 100/99, 385/384, 3969/3872
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 7 6 | 0 5 7 -6 4 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~63/44 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 139.884
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 26, 34, 60 }}
 
Badness: 0.080306
 
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 1352/1331
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 7 6 6 | 0 5 7 -6 4 6 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~55/39 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 139.867
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 26, 34, 60 }}
 
Badness: 0.044253
 
=== 17-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 170/169, 221/220
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 7 6 6 7 | 0 5 7 -6 4 6 5 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 139.868
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 26, 34, 60 }}
 
Badness: 0.029429
 
== Fourfives ==
{{See also| Sensamagic clan }}
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 245/243, 235298/234375
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 4 4 6 7 | 0 5 7 9 }}
 
: mapping generators: ~25/21, ~27/25
 
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~27/25 = 140.754
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 60, 68, 128 }}
 
[[Badness]]: 0.114143
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 245/243, 385/384, 235298/234375
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 4 4 6 7 19 | 0 5 7 9 -11 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~27/25 = 140.771
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8de, 60, 68, 128, 196 }}
 
Badness: 0.120165
 
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 196/195, 245/243, 385/384, 20000/19773
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 4 4 6 7 19 12 | 0 5 7 9 -11 6 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~13/12 = 140.760
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8de, 60, 68, 128, 196f }}
 
Badness: 0.067365
 
=== Quadrafives ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 121/120, 245/243, 1375/1372
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 4 4 6 7 11 | 0 5 7 9 6 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~27/25 = 140.630
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 60e, 68, 128e }}
 
Badness: 0.057268
 
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 121/120, 196/195, 245/243, 275/273
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 4 4 6 7 11 12 | 0 5 7 9 6 6 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~13/12 = 140.728
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 60e, 68, 128e }}
 
Badness: 0.036128
 
==== 17-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
 
Comma list: 121/120, 154/153, 170/169, 196/195, 245/243
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 4 4 6 7 11 12 14 | 0 5 7 9 6 6 5 }}
 
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~13/12 = 140.718
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 60e, 68, 128e }}
 
Badness: 0.024796
 
== Notes ==
 
[[Category:Temperament families]]
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[[Category:Fifive| ]] <!-- key article -->
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Latest revision as of 12:24, 27 November 2025

This is a list showing technical temperament data. For an explanation of what information is shown here, you may look at the technical data guide for regular temperaments.

The fifive family of temperaments tempers out the fifive comma (monzo: [-1 -14 10⟩, ratio: 9765625/9565938).

The name fifive was given by Petr Pařízek in 2011 for it splits the perfect fifth in five.[1]

Considered below are crepuscular, fifives, and fourfives.

Fifive

Subgroup: 2.3.5

Comma list: 9765625/9565938

Mapping: [⟨2 2 3], ⟨0 5 7]]

mapping generators: ~78125/50421, ~27/25

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~78125/50421 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 140.6349
  • POTE: ~78125/50421 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 140.624

Optimal ET sequence: 8, 18bc, 26, 34, 94, 128

Badness:

  • Smith: 0.205812
  • Dirichlet: 4.828

2.3.5.13 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.3.5.13

Comma list: 325/324, 20000/19773

Mapping: [⟨2 2 3 6], ⟨0 5 7 6]]

mapping generators: ~351/250, ~13/12

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~351/250 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.5685
  • CWE: ~351/250 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.6232

Optimal ET sequence: 8, 18bcf, 26, 34, 94, 128

Badness:

  • Smith: 0.0240
  • Dirichlet: 0.800

2.3.5.13.17 subgroup

Subgroup: 2.3.5.13.17

Comma list: 170/169, 289/288, 325/324

Mapping: [⟨2 2 3 6 7], ⟨0 5 7 6 5]]

mapping generators: ~17/12, ~13/12

Optimal tunings:

  • CTE: ~17/12 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.5958
  • CWE: ~17/12 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.6057

Optimal ET sequence: 8, 18bcfg, 26, 34, 94, 128

Badness:

  • Smith: 0.0110
  • Dirichlet: 0.488

Crepuscular

See also: Jubilismic clan § Crepuscular

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 50/49, 4375/4374

Mapping: [⟨2 2 3 4], ⟨0 5 7 7]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 140.349

Optimal ET sequence: 8d, 26, 34d, 60d

Badness: 0.086669

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 50/49, 99/98, 864/847

Mapping: [⟨2 2 3 4 6], ⟨0 5 7 7 4]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 140.587

Optimal ET sequence: 8d, 26, 34d, 60d

Badness: 0.040758

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 50/49, 78/77, 99/98, 144/143

Mapping: [⟨2 2 3 4 6 6], ⟨0 5 7 7 4 6]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 140.554

Optimal ET sequence: 8d, 26, 34d, 60d

Badness: 0.024368

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 50/49, 78/77, 85/84, 99/98, 144/143

Mapping: [⟨2 2 3 4 6 6 7], ⟨0 5 7 7 4 6 5]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 140.405

Optimal ET sequence: 8d, 26, 34d, 60d

Badness: 0.018567

Fifives

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 875/864, 83349/81920

Mapping: [⟨2 2 3 7], ⟨0 5 7 -6]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~567/400 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 139.909

Optimal ET sequence: 8, 26, 34, 60

Badness: 0.130589

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 100/99, 385/384, 3969/3872

Mapping: [⟨2 2 3 7 6], ⟨0 5 7 -6 4]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~63/44 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 139.884

Optimal ET sequence: 8, 26, 34, 60

Badness: 0.080306

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 1352/1331

Mapping: [⟨2 2 3 7 6 6], ⟨0 5 7 -6 4 6]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~55/39 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 139.867

Optimal ET sequence: 8, 26, 34, 60

Badness: 0.044253

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 170/169, 221/220

Mapping: [⟨2 2 3 7 6 6 7], ⟨0 5 7 -6 4 6 5]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 139.868

Optimal ET sequence: 8, 26, 34, 60

Badness: 0.029429

Fourfives

See also: Sensamagic clan

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7

Comma list: 245/243, 235298/234375

Mapping: [⟨4 4 6 7], ⟨0 5 7 9]]

mapping generators: ~25/21, ~27/25

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~27/25 = 140.754

Optimal ET sequence: 8d, 60, 68, 128

Badness: 0.114143

11-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 245/243, 385/384, 235298/234375

Mapping: [⟨4 4 6 7 19], ⟨0 5 7 9 -11]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~27/25 = 140.771

Optimal ET sequence: 8de, 60, 68, 128, 196

Badness: 0.120165

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 196/195, 245/243, 385/384, 20000/19773

Mapping: [⟨4 4 6 7 19 12], ⟨0 5 7 9 -11 6]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~13/12 = 140.760

Optimal ET sequence: 8de, 60, 68, 128, 196f

Badness: 0.067365

Quadrafives

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11

Comma list: 121/120, 245/243, 1375/1372

Mapping: [⟨4 4 6 7 11], ⟨0 5 7 9 6]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~27/25 = 140.630

Optimal ET sequence: 8d, 60e, 68, 128e

Badness: 0.057268

13-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13

Comma list: 121/120, 196/195, 245/243, 275/273

Mapping: [⟨4 4 6 7 11 12], ⟨0 5 7 9 6 6]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~13/12 = 140.728

Optimal ET sequence: 8d, 60e, 68, 128e

Badness: 0.036128

17-limit

Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17

Comma list: 121/120, 154/153, 170/169, 196/195, 245/243

Mapping: [⟨4 4 6 7 11 12 14], ⟨0 5 7 9 6 6 5]]

Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~13/12 = 140.718

Optimal ET sequence: 8d, 60e, 68, 128e

Badness: 0.024796

Notes

  1. ↑ Yahoo! Tuning Group | Suggested names for the unclasified temperaments
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